that there are more people interested in Heirloom than there is other formats - by way of comparing the attendance at a PRE to the attendance of a sanctioned, paid-entry format - as Lord Erman tried to compare.
There is no need to get your back up against the wall and break out your kitty-claws. I'm not denouncing any form of play online. I'm glad you enjoy playing online any way you like. You don't have to try and defend your financial situation and play method to me, since I'm not advocating in any way that what you are doing is a problem what-so-ever.
That being said, the person who started this particular thread seems to feels (rightly or wrongly) that pureMTGO would be better served by providing articles on subject matter that has a larger following. I think that's a good point, even if he made it poorly.
Delude themselves as to what? Isn't the point of a PRE to get organized and have fun?
Here's some news: Not everyone on MTGO is made of tix and can afford six bucks in entry fees every time they want to compete. The main reason this particular format exists is to keep the cost of playing Magic down. That's just an economic necessity for quite a lot of people in this world.
But those of us who suffer from economic hardship are lucky enough that some innovative and hard-working players are able to come up with new budget friendly formats and put the time into creating and supporting them through channels like the PRE boards and, yes, this website. They keep the game going for people who otherwise would have simply assumed MTGO is too expensive and don't end up spending any money on the game or dropping by any MTGO related sites.
The only delusion that I see is the idea that you have to have all sorts of disposable income in order to enjoy this game. PRE's like Heirloom and Pauper prove this wrong, and well-written articles like this are part of that proof.
Sometimes, building something feels better than just paying for it.
If I wasn't a jerk then what fun would it be. Youre the one leaving comments on something you didn't like, even though o one forced you to read it in the first place.
The complaint about Niche formats being dominant on this site is duly noted. I am not sure it is advisable to use THIS as your forum for complaint however. The people reading this article are likely to be pro-heirloom. As you can see from the responses acrimony is likely.
On a related topic, I would like to ask everyone to refrain from attacking each other for at least a week or two in memory of our recent tragic loss. I know "troll+flame = fun" is a common formula on the internet but a little respect would be nice.
Olaw thanks for another entertaining read. You have certainly developed a knack for this.
I've been worried about drafting triple UD since this is such a wierd set, and this timely and thoughtful article has helped set my mind at ease. Thanks!
You're a moron. Nothing in the title says anything about a pre-dead, worthless format that no one plays, obviously by design as everyone would pass over it if it did. You obviously can't reconcile this because you're a fat smug idiot who deludes himself daily which is why you thinned your picture out, don't worry we can tell. Obviously the "troll" is right and your weak attempts to naysay look as feeble as they are short (I'm sure you consider it "wit").
These kind of Player Run Events, be it Heirloom or Tribal Wars or BYOS, usually gather an audience of ~50 players overall. You can see 20-ish of them playing during a tournament.
I just checked the "decks of the week" section on dailymtg.com. There were 16 players in the last Classic tournament. SOM Block events last week fired with 25-30 players. Which is only 5-10 more than Heirloom or any other unofficial format. Looking at the Pauper events, I also see the same amount of players; meaning between 25-30.
So looking at these numbers we can say that the tournament environment of these "exotic" formats is fairly healthy. 4 more than Classic and 5-10 less than Pauper isn't bad for an unofficial format. As a matter of fact it's great.
The only problem about these kind of exotic formats, which is also something you say in your post, is that they only exist in competitive level. No one is playing "casual Heirloom". No one is playing "casual Standard Pauper". These formats are only being played at tournament level. And this is why you don't see people playing casual Heirloom in the casual room.
Most people test among themselves for tournaments. The newcomers usually aproach old players first before entering the tournaments. I know I played TONS and TONS of BYOS games with people who wanted to get in but didn't know where/how to start.
I hope this helps. You will never see these formats in the public. But they always generate a good amount of attendance during tournaments. Which is, in my opinion at least, worthy to write/publish articles about them.
Oh and one other VERY important thing: MTGOTraders is sponsoring most of those PREs themselves. So these articles are never a dead investment for them because they help generating more players for the events they sponsor.
Shard, I asked a serious question, You dont have to be a jerk to everyone you disagree with. Your attitude is repeated throughout the comments of puremtgo, and there is no reason for it. Grow up and stop being a douche.
there is nobody ever playing it in casual room, at least not with heirloom in game description, and there was 14 people in the tourney. Its not a popular format obv, if the only heirloom tourney can only get 14 players. I asked how many people play, and nobody answered, so I assume its around 20. If anyone has any real numbers I would like to know.
And yes I do think it is relevant how many people play a format, especially to this website. Putting up articles that are for a target audience of .01 percent of players is not going to help mtgotraders or puremtgo, as compared to putting up articles about std/limited/etc.
Yeah I really can't figure out what the deal was with the Silver Myr over Myrsmith pick. I have no idea why I would grab the Silver Myr when Myrsmith is clearly the best card and on color with my first pick bomb. I'll chalk it up to a brainfart and leave it at that.
Hey guys (and future guys)
Thanks for the responses, I'm new to this so I didn't think the article would be going up but I'm glad it has. I'm happy that you guys really like the layout, I should have other drafts coming up as well (unfortunately without the same outcome) but if you see this comment let me know, would you want more MSS drafts or some different kind of formats?
Also, yea you kind of have to take my word for it since the last video was lost, but it was an 8-4, though I had joined a 4-3-2-2 in the beginning by accident
Figured you deserved a comment with fireballs too. I love the PRE's because its something different from the norm and as a budget players heirloom, silverblack, and pdc are all fantastic. Keep up the good work. Know if only i woke up early enough on the weekends to play.
I definitely would've taken the Mortarpod P1P2 - it's good everywhere, keeps you open, and I personally think Dragon is overrated. Don't get me wrong, it's a good card, but seven mana is a _lot_ to commit to a double red card after picking a triple black one. Then you can take Blightwidow P1P4 without much worry (which, I also think the possible strength of Blightwidow outweighs the loss of not having an Ichor Wellspring in the path you took in the draft).
I feel like one of the defining characteristics of the mtg blogosphere is an amazing amount of superb user-generated content. This article is an excellent example. Strong work, great read.
I plan to play some UDUDUD drafts as soon they are up. I could play some UDUDUD casual drafts if they were available.
I've played only one UDUDUD prerelease draft. It was rather funny.
Anyway 20 tix for drafting it was too much... I think the only card in UD worth something is Metalworker. Not even any valuable commons/uncommons this time.
Not trying to draft for profit or something like that, but I like when a set allows to get a good % of the money spent back via sold cards. It helps to draft more...
Thanks for another very well writter report.
And I must say I always enjoy articles about the "niche" and player-made formats, even though I don't have enough time anymore to play in them all.
that there are more people interested in Heirloom than there is other formats - by way of comparing the attendance at a PRE to the attendance of a sanctioned, paid-entry format - as Lord Erman tried to compare.
There is no need to get your back up against the wall and break out your kitty-claws. I'm not denouncing any form of play online. I'm glad you enjoy playing online any way you like. You don't have to try and defend your financial situation and play method to me, since I'm not advocating in any way that what you are doing is a problem what-so-ever.
That being said, the person who started this particular thread seems to feels (rightly or wrongly) that pureMTGO would be better served by providing articles on subject matter that has a larger following. I think that's a good point, even if he made it poorly.
Delude themselves as to what? Isn't the point of a PRE to get organized and have fun?
Here's some news: Not everyone on MTGO is made of tix and can afford six bucks in entry fees every time they want to compete. The main reason this particular format exists is to keep the cost of playing Magic down. That's just an economic necessity for quite a lot of people in this world.
But those of us who suffer from economic hardship are lucky enough that some innovative and hard-working players are able to come up with new budget friendly formats and put the time into creating and supporting them through channels like the PRE boards and, yes, this website. They keep the game going for people who otherwise would have simply assumed MTGO is too expensive and don't end up spending any money on the game or dropping by any MTGO related sites.
The only delusion that I see is the idea that you have to have all sorts of disposable income in order to enjoy this game. PRE's like Heirloom and Pauper prove this wrong, and well-written articles like this are part of that proof.
Sometimes, building something feels better than just paying for it.
If I wasn't a jerk then what fun would it be. Youre the one leaving comments on something you didn't like, even though o one forced you to read it in the first place.
The complaint about Niche formats being dominant on this site is duly noted. I am not sure it is advisable to use THIS as your forum for complaint however. The people reading this article are likely to be pro-heirloom. As you can see from the responses acrimony is likely.
On a related topic, I would like to ask everyone to refrain from attacking each other for at least a week or two in memory of our recent tragic loss. I know "troll+flame = fun" is a common formula on the internet but a little respect would be nice.
Olaw thanks for another entertaining read. You have certainly developed a knack for this.
I've been worried about drafting triple UD since this is such a wierd set, and this timely and thoughtful article has helped set my mind at ease. Thanks!
Comparing PREs to sanctioned events you actually have to pay to get into is a pretty poor comparison.
Good on the heirloom folks for having fun and getting organized, but try not to delude yourselves.
You're a moron. Nothing in the title says anything about a pre-dead, worthless format that no one plays, obviously by design as everyone would pass over it if it did. You obviously can't reconcile this because you're a fat smug idiot who deludes himself daily which is why you thinned your picture out, don't worry we can tell. Obviously the "troll" is right and your weak attempts to naysay look as feeble as they are short (I'm sure you consider it "wit").
These kind of Player Run Events, be it Heirloom or Tribal Wars or BYOS, usually gather an audience of ~50 players overall. You can see 20-ish of them playing during a tournament.
I just checked the "decks of the week" section on dailymtg.com. There were 16 players in the last Classic tournament. SOM Block events last week fired with 25-30 players. Which is only 5-10 more than Heirloom or any other unofficial format. Looking at the Pauper events, I also see the same amount of players; meaning between 25-30.
So looking at these numbers we can say that the tournament environment of these "exotic" formats is fairly healthy. 4 more than Classic and 5-10 less than Pauper isn't bad for an unofficial format. As a matter of fact it's great.
The only problem about these kind of exotic formats, which is also something you say in your post, is that they only exist in competitive level. No one is playing "casual Heirloom". No one is playing "casual Standard Pauper". These formats are only being played at tournament level. And this is why you don't see people playing casual Heirloom in the casual room.
Most people test among themselves for tournaments. The newcomers usually aproach old players first before entering the tournaments. I know I played TONS and TONS of BYOS games with people who wanted to get in but didn't know where/how to start.
I hope this helps. You will never see these formats in the public. But they always generate a good amount of attendance during tournaments. Which is, in my opinion at least, worthy to write/publish articles about them.
Oh and one other VERY important thing: MTGOTraders is sponsoring most of those PREs themselves. So these articles are never a dead investment for them because they help generating more players for the events they sponsor.
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Shard, I asked a serious question, You dont have to be a jerk to everyone you disagree with. Your attitude is repeated throughout the comments of puremtgo, and there is no reason for it. Grow up and stop being a douche.
there is nobody ever playing it in casual room, at least not with heirloom in game description, and there was 14 people in the tourney. Its not a popular format obv, if the only heirloom tourney can only get 14 players. I asked how many people play, and nobody answered, so I assume its around 20. If anyone has any real numbers I would like to know.
And yes I do think it is relevant how many people play a format, especially to this website. Putting up articles that are for a target audience of .01 percent of players is not going to help mtgotraders or puremtgo, as compared to putting up articles about std/limited/etc.
Thanks for the comments guys!
Yeah I really can't figure out what the deal was with the Silver Myr over Myrsmith pick. I have no idea why I would grab the Silver Myr when Myrsmith is clearly the best card and on color with my first pick bomb. I'll chalk it up to a brainfart and leave it at that.
Thnx for bringing this up each week! It's a lot of work you you invest and it gives a great insight for those events we have!
Looking forward for next weeks Article!!
...and the views in the Wizards PRE Subforum (for PREs in general and Heirloom in detail ;-): http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/view/75846/135082/Magic_Online_Pla...
Silver Myr over Myrsmith?
Really?
Especially in the first pick of a pack?
Hey guys (and future guys)
Thanks for the responses, I'm new to this so I didn't think the article would be going up but I'm glad it has. I'm happy that you guys really like the layout, I should have other drafts coming up as well (unfortunately without the same outcome) but if you see this comment let me know, would you want more MSS drafts or some different kind of formats?
Also, yea you kind of have to take my word for it since the last video was lost, but it was an 8-4, though I had joined a 4-3-2-2 in the beginning by accident
Yeah. Sigil of Sleep is amazing. It's like Nighthawk in this set in that it is better than the majority of the rares. Except its common.
Always a great article, Olaw. I'm enjoying reading them.
Another great article olaw. Keep up the good work, I look forward to reading this article each week :)
yea, love triple set drafting, this was very helpful, hopfully i can get a few ddd while i can
Figured you deserved a comment with fireballs too. I love the PRE's because its something different from the norm and as a budget players heirloom, silverblack, and pdc are all fantastic. Keep up the good work. Know if only i woke up early enough on the weekends to play.
I definitely would've taken the Mortarpod P1P2 - it's good everywhere, keeps you open, and I personally think Dragon is overrated. Don't get me wrong, it's a good card, but seven mana is a _lot_ to commit to a double red card after picking a triple black one. Then you can take Blightwidow P1P4 without much worry (which, I also think the possible strength of Blightwidow outweighs the loss of not having an Ichor Wellspring in the path you took in the draft).
I feel like one of the defining characteristics of the mtg blogosphere is an amazing amount of superb user-generated content. This article is an excellent example. Strong work, great read.
I plan to play some UDUDUD drafts as soon they are up. I could play some UDUDUD casual drafts if they were available.
I've played only one UDUDUD prerelease draft. It was rather funny.
Anyway 20 tix for drafting it was too much... I think the only card in UD worth something is Metalworker. Not even any valuable commons/uncommons this time.
Not trying to draft for profit or something like that, but I like when a set allows to get a good % of the money spent back via sold cards. It helps to draft more...
Thanks a lot!
Hope you find the time to come and play the format some time. I'm sure there are a lot more unexplored possibilities in the format.
Thanks for another very well writter report.
And I must say I always enjoy articles about the "niche" and player-made formats, even though I don't have enough time anymore to play in them all.