Golgari Grave-Troll has an activated ability you can name with Phyrexian Revoker. It's ludicrously unlikely to come up, but probably better than naming zur's weirding?!
See, this is just a steaming pile of misperception and assumptions. Why is it that I have to have no life because I play with a $700 deck? Why is it I have to be a porn watcher? Why is it you assume that we all have cards? Why is it you assume we don't want others to have cards? And you call us "retarded fkx" for not buying into your misperceptions and assumptions. Why are we to believe that if the cards were cheaper we'd see more people playing? Arguably, prices are lower now than last year since they reprinted dual lands, and still Classic is less popular than last year. Why do you assume that 7000 more Force of Will and LEDs would mean more Classic players as opposed to only Legacy?
Actually, most Classic only cards, as in banned in Legacy, are extremely cheap. Bazaar of Baghdad is about $10 and Mishra's Workshop can be had for $15 or less. Do you know those paper prices? People have a chance to play with triple digit valued cards online for a mere fraction of their paper counterparts and you talk about them still being too expensive? The expensive cards are primarily those that are hot in Legacy, like Wasteland, Force of Will and LED. Funny how those events fire regularly. According to you, no one should play those events because the cost of entry is too high. I think you're completely misprepresenting Classic and this supposed barrier to entry: they're by and large not solely Classic staples (what's a Classic staple? Duplicant? $3, Oath of Druids? $15).
The problem with Classic is it's busted, plain and simple. You can't just roll up with a homebrew and expect to win. You must be prepared for Dredge or it will roll you. You must be prepared for a first turn Oath with a Forbidden Orchard, or they will roll you. You have to be ready to deal with a first turn Sphere of Resistance, or it will lock you out of the game. There are only a small handful of tier 1 broken decks and cards and you have to be ready to take them on or you'll get rolled. It's not a friendly environment to people who don't know the format. I saw a replay of a burn deck vs. a Hermit Druid combo deck where the burn player could have burned the Hermit Druid, but instead domed the Druid pilot. Horrible misplay... he died the next turn. Had he burned the Druid, he may have won. You have to know how to play the meta. THAT is why Classic is not popular and Legacy (with the same expensive staples) is all the rage and booming. Classic is busted and the highest barrier to entry is not your wallet, it's knowledge, which most people are too unwilling to obtain and disregard the format based on other factors.
As for the "no life" crap. I enjoy Classic because it is a slow evolving format. BECAUSE I have a life I don't have time to keep up with other formats. Just yet another example of really bad logic and assumptions.
Full disclosure: I don't have 4 x every card for ANY tier 1 Classic deck, especially Force; I have not paid for porn nor am I in the habit of looking at porn ... that's where wives come in handy; I'm not retarded.
"Forgive me for being off $300 without giving enough of a shit to spend an hour plus looking up card prices. I know enough of the big money cards, and "staples" of Classic to know a ridiculously expensive deck when I see one."
The deck is still expensive, but $300 could make a difference to someone who is interested. And as Whiffy said, it's not out of the realm of competitive decks in any format. Maybe we're being too literal but you should just get your facts right if you're going to flame. For instance, according to Pete Jahn, there are only 9 cards over $30 on mtgo. Yes, $10 and $20 cards add up when you put them all in the same deck, but don't make it sound like all these cards are completely unaffordable on their own.
"Look, it's fine that you have no life, outside of Magic, and you can drop 700 on a deck without thinking twice...aside from it cutting into your porn subscriptions."
This is just being a jerk and untrue. Most Classic players have built up a collection slowly over time, made smart investments, gotten in early, used constructed event winnings to buy more cards, or just only have one deck. And, uh, who pays for porn in the 21st century?
"If you go back and read my earlier posts, you would see I am all for more people playing Classic, but it is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL WOTC REPRINTS THE STAPLES...I don't know how else to spell it out for you retarded fkx. It is simple supply and demand....just like many many articles on this very site say...there are not enough of certain staple cards due to various factors...boring to draft, limited runs, etc. This has driven the prices sky high on those power cards. Classic will NEVER become more popular until some of these cards are re-released in some fashion or WOTC basically coming out with a new card that makes an old staple obsolete..but I would much rather get the former than wait, especially since R&D isn't going to create a new FoW or LED, etc."
Yeah I think most Classic players agree, we want more reprints and especially more nixtix draft weeks to get more cards online so that more people can play. That has been stated in most of the message boards I follow. I'd take a hit, Whiffy would take a hit, we'd all take a hit on our collections' value if it meant more players. Most people expect a reprint of Force of Will is coming. But that doesn't mean that we can't write articles promoting our format. The bigger problem really right now is that wotc has made Classic into "Vintage minus Power 9" and a lot of the old Classic playerbase left in anger over the lack of Power 9 in ME4 and the Vintage players don't want to come online yet becasuse they want to play real Vintage. But that's a different argument.
"I understand that the few of you who have every card in playsets, etc. don't want everyone else having them because you had to "sacrifice" and spend X on them, or you don't want all the "noobs" clogging up your events(even though they only fire like once a year) but that is a pretty selfish stance."
This just isn't true. This is trolling.
"There is zero intelligent argument for the simple fact that if there were 7000 more FoW or LED in the system, along with all the other power staples, you can be sure that more Classic would be played.."
There will never be that many, Wizards has to keep it a valuable card because that's how this whole thing works. But we're all excted about the 200 or so Forces and all the dual lands that will enter the system over the next two weeks with ME1234 sealed. I wish there could be more.
"hell, in my little group there would be 7 more players, and since I'm such an a$$Hole you can imagine how few of friends I have."
Build a dredge deck and join up.
Look, Classic is expensive, that's just how it is. And the format is going through some hard times right now. The last thing we need is someone kicking us while we're down. Just let us write some articles about the type of Magic we like to play. If you want to have a constructive discussion about it, that's fine. But as it is you don't help anything and at worst you scare off people who might be interested.
It just gets a little tiring that Classic article after Classic article we have to put up with bullshit. The $600+ vs. $1000 is important because it is symptomatic of the problem that is misperception ruling the debate and blanket statements pulled from deep within anal cavities substituting facts.
See, you got it all wrong, Paul. It has nothing to do with the premise of the bar of entry being too high or too low, it has to do with misperception. I mean, look at this statement, "Look, it's fine that you have no life, outside of Magic, and you can drop 700 on a deck without thinking twice...aside from it cutting into your porn subscriptions." Followed later buy this well-worn supposition, "I understand that the few of you who have every card in playsets, etc. don't want everyone else having them..."
I don't have the cards for this deck. Nor do I have Force of Wills. Yet, I love Classic. I play Classic. I have no qualms about lower the barrier to entry and that's not even a debate I'm looking for. What I do dislike is lies and smears about the format I like being passed off as insight. I see this bullshit all the time, "Classic is all first turn kills," or "Classic is too expensive". People need to actually learn about the reality of the format rather than keep posting (here or in casual room chat) about a format they know little to nothing about. Maybe it's more symptomatic of our generation where people reckon something based on their gut then post it as 100% truth.
The notion that lower prices on staples will make Classic more popular, by the way, is really old. Have you ever used one of those free programs, like Magic Workstation? How much Vintage action can you find on there? Practically none, even though the barrier to entry is zero. Formats are popular because they're appealing and people play them because they want to. Hence the rising popularity of Legacy in spite of the rising costs. I don't really want to get into that debate, because it's like beating a dead horse that has been to a taxidermist in the year 1264.
yes i blame you whiffy! for studying the format like crazy and making decks also adjustments to the online meta, how dare you!!! and i curse your hardwork!
anyway on a serious note good luck in the CCC man hope you woop some ass
Good luck to you and the rest of the team at the Community Cup. I wish I could have been more useful during the testing stages. And just do us a favor and take as many pictures as you can and write a very detailed article about your experience when you get back. I'm sure that that would be tons of fun to read.
ok so im not exactly sure why your so mad but here goes.
1. the deck is under 700, and also under the price of Jace decks or what jace decks were running up untill about a month ago.
2. Im an advocate of reprinting staples, 5 mins in the format and you would know that at least 80% of us would take a hit on our collections if it meant more players.
3. I apologise that i had the fore thought 4 years ago to start getting staples. I apologise that i run well in events and use the prize packs to grow my collection. I apologise for giving up my saturdays as well as countless hours during the week to try and keep Classic in the limelight and dispel un truths like this one, and use my credits to grow my collection.
4. You are a small minded child and I honestly feel bad for anyone who has to interact with you on a daily basis.
Forgive me for being off $300 without giving enough of a shit to spend an hour plus looking up card prices. I know enough of the big money cards, and "staples" of Classic to know a ridiculously expensive deck when I see one. Look, it's fine that you have no life, outside of Magic, and you can drop 700 on a deck without thinking twice...aside from it cutting into your porn subscriptions. If you go back and read my earlier posts, you would see I am all for more people playing Classic, but it is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL WOTC REPRINTS THE STAPLES...I don't know how else to spell it out for you retarded fkx. It is simple supply and demand....just like many many articles on this very site say...there are not enough of certain staple cards due to various factors...boring to draft, limited runs, etc. This has driven the prices sky high on those power cards. Classic will NEVER become more popular until some of these cards are re-released in some fashion or WOTC basically coming out with a new card that makes an old staple obsolete..but I would much rather get the former than wait, especially since R&D isn't going to create a new FoW or LED, etc. I understand that the few of you who have every card in playsets, etc. don't want everyone else having them because you had to "sacrifice" and spend X on them, or you don't want all the "noobs" clogging up your events(even though they only fire like once a year) but that is a pretty selfish stance. There is zero intelligent argument for the simple fact that if there were 7000 more FoW or LED in the system, along with all the other power staples, you can be sure that more Classic would be played..hell, in my little group there would be 7 more players, and since I'm such an a$$Hole you can imagine how few of friends I have.
Im not saying I agree with Mr Howl but what if he had said "another $650 deck..blah blah", does his trolling have any validity then? I mean some of it was just plain stupid as you indicate. Modern is slated to be a format that replaces Extended and nothing else. But Classic/Legacy does have a large $ barrier to entry and I can see why that upsets some of the havenots. Being a havenot who enjoys weird formats, I am not put off by the high bar because it is what it is. (There will always be inequities, and this is the price the havenots pay for everyone else subsidizing this game.)
But I think the way to end this is not to jump on the obviously incorrect fact (650 instead of 1k) and ignore the somewhat accurate idea (too high a bar for some people) behind it, but to simply stop responding with more verbal warfare. (I mean come on how many articles and forum threads are you guys going to go back and forth on?) Just acknowledge that you don't agree with the premise. (That the bar should be lowered.)
I searched for each card individually and looked for the cheapest. Not sure. Anyway, we're close enough. Point remains, Under $700 does not equal $1000. =)
Deck price based on current Mtgo Traders prices: $661.20. Sideboard adds $15.87 for a total of $677.07. Savvy trading could cut that down. Yes, it's still expensive, but if you're going to troll, get your facts right.
EDIT: Haha, Mike, we both responded to this guy at the same time! But how did we get slightly different figures? We should have shown our work.
Yay! Please MOAR figures you pull from your ass... you know, that hole from which you speak. Pricing out this deck, it costs 683.17 by MTGOTraders prices. You can find stuff cheaper here and there, but that's a solid estimate and that comes out at just over 68% of the price you quoted.
Another way you spew trash is by acting like Classic will in any way shape or form EVER be replaced by anything other than Vintage. Wizards will always maintain a format where all the cards can be played (less ante cards and flip cards). If you don't like it, just leave us alone. Putting off people who are potentially interested in Classic with your misinformation is really dirty. There is no conflict or connection between your agenda (Modern or Overextended) and Classic, so please take the high road and just leave us alone.
another $1000 deck...yeah, classic doesn't need reprints..it's thriving with decks like these...oh wait, no, no it's not. Come on Modern, can't hit soon enough to put this ridiculous format down for good.
This looks like a potentially fun deck to play, but the match-ups you show are sorely lacking. I'd like to see it against Caw-Blade, Splittertwin, & Tezz, before I get too impressed. How does it do against Tempered Steel or Kuldatha Red? Not really a lot of information in here.
Teferi + Venser (the mage) = the lock down I believe. You can't respond with spells to your spells so you can't protect them from Venser who bounces them off the stack. That plus some other counters is a lock and Momir helps enable all that by fetching them. It also generates incredible draw/card advantage. I prefer using Intet for UG decks with a splash of red.
Had an odd experience yesterday. Normally I do not play BW because people dislike the color combo and I don't like making people have an unfun game in general. But yesterday after getting my ass handed to me by some nasty decks I decided to bring my Teysa deck.
Got a fairly poor start but enough lands to cast a turn 3 Mortify on a Kemba about to equip Darksteel Plate fetched with Stoneforge Mystic. I was perhaps a little paranoid but I figured dsp + kemba = wrath at will.dec and didn't want to give him that advantage.
So of course he made a big deal about me being his only target that game. So I quit. I feel that perhaps I jumped the gun quitting but my position was poor (nothing nearly castable with the other guys building up quite nicely) and I felt it was going to be an unfun game with mr hostility.
Was it wrong to quit so early? Did I make a mistake hitting Kemba before he could become unkillable? I don't think so, but I was struck by the irony that the other players clearly did. So someone was wrong. It might have been me.
This is why I like playing with people I know. Being able to predict the social outcome of the game makes it more likely we will enjoy the game NO MATTER what generals are brought or what sick combos may occur. I can put up with a lot more from someone who I appreciate as not a jerk or whatnot.
In answer to your question, yes relic is better than a sphere in the mirror; don't listen to you tube trolls. And generally 3-sphere is the worst sphere in most mirror matches; crypt/leyline for crucible are even better than 3-sphere in the mirror and arguably other spheres as well. Your build though with more denial in the form of ghost quarters and null rod likes spheres a little more in the mirror, so I'd maybe leave in spheres of resistance over leylines/crypts unless I actually saw a crucible.
It's about the most unexpected answer I would ever expect, but definitely makes great sense. I like it.
Paul, I agree they're ridiculous - but I've truly seen each of those (though granted not all on the same table). I got targeted over and over while the Zur literally attacked the guy targeting me, getting enchantment after enchantment - but the guy still kept doing everything to get rid of me. Thada Adel I find many people underestimate and as such, he's sometimes allowed free reign for four or five turns before the person targeting me realizes that Thada's controller now has twice as much mana as everyone else.
I agree, it takes time to learn, but during those learning times, I didn't do some Commander-rage-killings, I sat back, played ultra defensively, and chose my attacks based mainly off of who hit me first. Not necessarily the best strategy either, but no one could ever really complain, since you'd be asking for it.
That being said, I still think the two generals that I cannot seem to play, based solely off commander-hate, is Momir and Azusa. There seems to be some demented Azusa combo deck running around, and whenever I choose her, I seem to get his lynch mob instead of a real game, and Momir has some crazy lockdown strategy that no one has yet to show me how it works. I ended up switching the UG general to Experiment Kraj just to stop the insta-hate.
per unit of thousands round(.650) = 1
I think he had a valid point and his figure is right in unit of thousands.
Competitive Magic is expensive -- a Caw deck will run you almost $700 as well, and those cards all rotate in a few months.
I will bet whatever the Deck to Beat in Modern is will be close to that as well, since it will more than likely either run Jace or Tarmogoyf.
I like this post.
I also like this deck. Null rod is just one of my favourite cards.
Golgari Grave-Troll has an activated ability you can name with Phyrexian Revoker. It's ludicrously unlikely to come up, but probably better than naming zur's weirding?!
lol @ the MoDo grinding barbarian
hilarious. what a lucksack to go 3-1 with my rubbish 1x Serum Powder deck version
See, this is just a steaming pile of misperception and assumptions. Why is it that I have to have no life because I play with a $700 deck? Why is it I have to be a porn watcher? Why is it you assume that we all have cards? Why is it you assume we don't want others to have cards? And you call us "retarded fkx" for not buying into your misperceptions and assumptions. Why are we to believe that if the cards were cheaper we'd see more people playing? Arguably, prices are lower now than last year since they reprinted dual lands, and still Classic is less popular than last year. Why do you assume that 7000 more Force of Will and LEDs would mean more Classic players as opposed to only Legacy?
Actually, most Classic only cards, as in banned in Legacy, are extremely cheap. Bazaar of Baghdad is about $10 and Mishra's Workshop can be had for $15 or less. Do you know those paper prices? People have a chance to play with triple digit valued cards online for a mere fraction of their paper counterparts and you talk about them still being too expensive? The expensive cards are primarily those that are hot in Legacy, like Wasteland, Force of Will and LED. Funny how those events fire regularly. According to you, no one should play those events because the cost of entry is too high. I think you're completely misprepresenting Classic and this supposed barrier to entry: they're by and large not solely Classic staples (what's a Classic staple? Duplicant? $3, Oath of Druids? $15).
The problem with Classic is it's busted, plain and simple. You can't just roll up with a homebrew and expect to win. You must be prepared for Dredge or it will roll you. You must be prepared for a first turn Oath with a Forbidden Orchard, or they will roll you. You have to be ready to deal with a first turn Sphere of Resistance, or it will lock you out of the game. There are only a small handful of tier 1 broken decks and cards and you have to be ready to take them on or you'll get rolled. It's not a friendly environment to people who don't know the format. I saw a replay of a burn deck vs. a Hermit Druid combo deck where the burn player could have burned the Hermit Druid, but instead domed the Druid pilot. Horrible misplay... he died the next turn. Had he burned the Druid, he may have won. You have to know how to play the meta. THAT is why Classic is not popular and Legacy (with the same expensive staples) is all the rage and booming. Classic is busted and the highest barrier to entry is not your wallet, it's knowledge, which most people are too unwilling to obtain and disregard the format based on other factors.
As for the "no life" crap. I enjoy Classic because it is a slow evolving format. BECAUSE I have a life I don't have time to keep up with other formats. Just yet another example of really bad logic and assumptions.
Full disclosure: I don't have 4 x every card for ANY tier 1 Classic deck, especially Force; I have not paid for porn nor am I in the habit of looking at porn ... that's where wives come in handy; I'm not retarded.
"Forgive me for being off $300 without giving enough of a shit to spend an hour plus looking up card prices. I know enough of the big money cards, and "staples" of Classic to know a ridiculously expensive deck when I see one."
The deck is still expensive, but $300 could make a difference to someone who is interested. And as Whiffy said, it's not out of the realm of competitive decks in any format. Maybe we're being too literal but you should just get your facts right if you're going to flame. For instance, according to Pete Jahn, there are only 9 cards over $30 on mtgo. Yes, $10 and $20 cards add up when you put them all in the same deck, but don't make it sound like all these cards are completely unaffordable on their own.
"Look, it's fine that you have no life, outside of Magic, and you can drop 700 on a deck without thinking twice...aside from it cutting into your porn subscriptions."
This is just being a jerk and untrue. Most Classic players have built up a collection slowly over time, made smart investments, gotten in early, used constructed event winnings to buy more cards, or just only have one deck. And, uh, who pays for porn in the 21st century?
"If you go back and read my earlier posts, you would see I am all for more people playing Classic, but it is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL WOTC REPRINTS THE STAPLES...I don't know how else to spell it out for you retarded fkx. It is simple supply and demand....just like many many articles on this very site say...there are not enough of certain staple cards due to various factors...boring to draft, limited runs, etc. This has driven the prices sky high on those power cards. Classic will NEVER become more popular until some of these cards are re-released in some fashion or WOTC basically coming out with a new card that makes an old staple obsolete..but I would much rather get the former than wait, especially since R&D isn't going to create a new FoW or LED, etc."
Yeah I think most Classic players agree, we want more reprints and especially more nixtix draft weeks to get more cards online so that more people can play. That has been stated in most of the message boards I follow. I'd take a hit, Whiffy would take a hit, we'd all take a hit on our collections' value if it meant more players. Most people expect a reprint of Force of Will is coming. But that doesn't mean that we can't write articles promoting our format. The bigger problem really right now is that wotc has made Classic into "Vintage minus Power 9" and a lot of the old Classic playerbase left in anger over the lack of Power 9 in ME4 and the Vintage players don't want to come online yet becasuse they want to play real Vintage. But that's a different argument.
"I understand that the few of you who have every card in playsets, etc. don't want everyone else having them because you had to "sacrifice" and spend X on them, or you don't want all the "noobs" clogging up your events(even though they only fire like once a year) but that is a pretty selfish stance."
This just isn't true. This is trolling.
"There is zero intelligent argument for the simple fact that if there were 7000 more FoW or LED in the system, along with all the other power staples, you can be sure that more Classic would be played.."
There will never be that many, Wizards has to keep it a valuable card because that's how this whole thing works. But we're all excted about the 200 or so Forces and all the dual lands that will enter the system over the next two weeks with ME1234 sealed. I wish there could be more.
"hell, in my little group there would be 7 more players, and since I'm such an a$$Hole you can imagine how few of friends I have."
Build a dredge deck and join up.
Look, Classic is expensive, that's just how it is. And the format is going through some hard times right now. The last thing we need is someone kicking us while we're down. Just let us write some articles about the type of Magic we like to play. If you want to have a constructive discussion about it, that's fine. But as it is you don't help anything and at worst you scare off people who might be interested.
It just gets a little tiring that Classic article after Classic article we have to put up with bullshit. The $600+ vs. $1000 is important because it is symptomatic of the problem that is misperception ruling the debate and blanket statements pulled from deep within anal cavities substituting facts.
See, you got it all wrong, Paul. It has nothing to do with the premise of the bar of entry being too high or too low, it has to do with misperception. I mean, look at this statement, "Look, it's fine that you have no life, outside of Magic, and you can drop 700 on a deck without thinking twice...aside from it cutting into your porn subscriptions." Followed later buy this well-worn supposition, "I understand that the few of you who have every card in playsets, etc. don't want everyone else having them..."
I don't have the cards for this deck. Nor do I have Force of Wills. Yet, I love Classic. I play Classic. I have no qualms about lower the barrier to entry and that's not even a debate I'm looking for. What I do dislike is lies and smears about the format I like being passed off as insight. I see this bullshit all the time, "Classic is all first turn kills," or "Classic is too expensive". People need to actually learn about the reality of the format rather than keep posting (here or in casual room chat) about a format they know little to nothing about. Maybe it's more symptomatic of our generation where people reckon something based on their gut then post it as 100% truth.
The notion that lower prices on staples will make Classic more popular, by the way, is really old. Have you ever used one of those free programs, like Magic Workstation? How much Vintage action can you find on there? Practically none, even though the barrier to entry is zero. Formats are popular because they're appealing and people play them because they want to. Hence the rising popularity of Legacy in spite of the rising costs. I don't really want to get into that debate, because it's like beating a dead horse that has been to a taxidermist in the year 1264.
pt1. jace decks in standard.
Thanks for the good will Salgy and LE.
yes i blame you whiffy! for studying the format like crazy and making decks also adjustments to the online meta, how dare you!!! and i curse your hardwork!
anyway on a serious note good luck in the CCC man hope you woop some ass
Good luck to you and the rest of the team at the Community Cup. I wish I could have been more useful during the testing stages. And just do us a favor and take as many pictures as you can and write a very detailed article about your experience when you get back. I'm sure that that would be tons of fun to read.
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ok so im not exactly sure why your so mad but here goes.
1. the deck is under 700, and also under the price of Jace decks or what jace decks were running up untill about a month ago.
2. Im an advocate of reprinting staples, 5 mins in the format and you would know that at least 80% of us would take a hit on our collections if it meant more players.
3. I apologise that i had the fore thought 4 years ago to start getting staples. I apologise that i run well in events and use the prize packs to grow my collection. I apologise for giving up my saturdays as well as countless hours during the week to try and keep Classic in the limelight and dispel un truths like this one, and use my credits to grow my collection.
4. You are a small minded child and I honestly feel bad for anyone who has to interact with you on a daily basis.
Forgive me for being off $300 without giving enough of a shit to spend an hour plus looking up card prices. I know enough of the big money cards, and "staples" of Classic to know a ridiculously expensive deck when I see one. Look, it's fine that you have no life, outside of Magic, and you can drop 700 on a deck without thinking twice...aside from it cutting into your porn subscriptions. If you go back and read my earlier posts, you would see I am all for more people playing Classic, but it is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL WOTC REPRINTS THE STAPLES...I don't know how else to spell it out for you retarded fkx. It is simple supply and demand....just like many many articles on this very site say...there are not enough of certain staple cards due to various factors...boring to draft, limited runs, etc. This has driven the prices sky high on those power cards. Classic will NEVER become more popular until some of these cards are re-released in some fashion or WOTC basically coming out with a new card that makes an old staple obsolete..but I would much rather get the former than wait, especially since R&D isn't going to create a new FoW or LED, etc. I understand that the few of you who have every card in playsets, etc. don't want everyone else having them because you had to "sacrifice" and spend X on them, or you don't want all the "noobs" clogging up your events(even though they only fire like once a year) but that is a pretty selfish stance. There is zero intelligent argument for the simple fact that if there were 7000 more FoW or LED in the system, along with all the other power staples, you can be sure that more Classic would be played..hell, in my little group there would be 7 more players, and since I'm such an a$$Hole you can imagine how few of friends I have.
Im not saying I agree with Mr Howl but what if he had said "another $650 deck..blah blah", does his trolling have any validity then? I mean some of it was just plain stupid as you indicate. Modern is slated to be a format that replaces Extended and nothing else. But Classic/Legacy does have a large $ barrier to entry and I can see why that upsets some of the havenots. Being a havenot who enjoys weird formats, I am not put off by the high bar because it is what it is. (There will always be inequities, and this is the price the havenots pay for everyone else subsidizing this game.)
But I think the way to end this is not to jump on the obviously incorrect fact (650 instead of 1k) and ignore the somewhat accurate idea (too high a bar for some people) behind it, but to simply stop responding with more verbal warfare. (I mean come on how many articles and forum threads are you guys going to go back and forth on?) Just acknowledge that you don't agree with the premise. (That the bar should be lowered.)
Great videos; I like the replay versions actually - saves on dead air time. You explain your drafts as well as anyone on the net.
Great videos; I like the replay versions actually - saves on dead air time. You explain your drafts as well as anyone on the net.
I searched for each card individually and looked for the cheapest. Not sure. Anyway, we're close enough. Point remains, Under $700 does not equal $1000. =)
Deck price based on current Mtgo Traders prices: $661.20. Sideboard adds $15.87 for a total of $677.07. Savvy trading could cut that down. Yes, it's still expensive, but if you're going to troll, get your facts right.
EDIT: Haha, Mike, we both responded to this guy at the same time! But how did we get slightly different figures? We should have shown our work.
Yay! Please MOAR figures you pull from your ass... you know, that hole from which you speak. Pricing out this deck, it costs 683.17 by MTGOTraders prices. You can find stuff cheaper here and there, but that's a solid estimate and that comes out at just over 68% of the price you quoted.
Another way you spew trash is by acting like Classic will in any way shape or form EVER be replaced by anything other than Vintage. Wizards will always maintain a format where all the cards can be played (less ante cards and flip cards). If you don't like it, just leave us alone. Putting off people who are potentially interested in Classic with your misinformation is really dirty. There is no conflict or connection between your agenda (Modern or Overextended) and Classic, so please take the high road and just leave us alone.
another $1000 deck...yeah, classic doesn't need reprints..it's thriving with decks like these...oh wait, no, no it's not. Come on Modern, can't hit soon enough to put this ridiculous format down for good.
This looks like a potentially fun deck to play, but the match-ups you show are sorely lacking. I'd like to see it against Caw-Blade, Splittertwin, & Tezz, before I get too impressed. How does it do against Tempered Steel or Kuldatha Red? Not really a lot of information in here.
Teferi + Venser (the mage) = the lock down I believe. You can't respond with spells to your spells so you can't protect them from Venser who bounces them off the stack. That plus some other counters is a lock and Momir helps enable all that by fetching them. It also generates incredible draw/card advantage. I prefer using Intet for UG decks with a splash of red.
Had an odd experience yesterday. Normally I do not play BW because people dislike the color combo and I don't like making people have an unfun game in general. But yesterday after getting my ass handed to me by some nasty decks I decided to bring my Teysa deck.
Got a fairly poor start but enough lands to cast a turn 3 Mortify on a Kemba about to equip Darksteel Plate fetched with Stoneforge Mystic. I was perhaps a little paranoid but I figured dsp + kemba = wrath at will.dec and didn't want to give him that advantage.
So of course he made a big deal about me being his only target that game. So I quit. I feel that perhaps I jumped the gun quitting but my position was poor (nothing nearly castable with the other guys building up quite nicely) and I felt it was going to be an unfun game with mr hostility.
Was it wrong to quit so early? Did I make a mistake hitting Kemba before he could become unkillable? I don't think so, but I was struck by the irony that the other players clearly did. So someone was wrong. It might have been me.
This is why I like playing with people I know. Being able to predict the social outcome of the game makes it more likely we will enjoy the game NO MATTER what generals are brought or what sick combos may occur. I can put up with a lot more from someone who I appreciate as not a jerk or whatnot.
In answer to your question, yes relic is better than a sphere in the mirror; don't listen to you tube trolls. And generally 3-sphere is the worst sphere in most mirror matches; crypt/leyline for crucible are even better than 3-sphere in the mirror and arguably other spheres as well. Your build though with more denial in the form of ghost quarters and null rod likes spheres a little more in the mirror, so I'd maybe leave in spheres of resistance over leylines/crypts unless I actually saw a crucible.
It's about the most unexpected answer I would ever expect, but definitely makes great sense. I like it.
Paul, I agree they're ridiculous - but I've truly seen each of those (though granted not all on the same table). I got targeted over and over while the Zur literally attacked the guy targeting me, getting enchantment after enchantment - but the guy still kept doing everything to get rid of me. Thada Adel I find many people underestimate and as such, he's sometimes allowed free reign for four or five turns before the person targeting me realizes that Thada's controller now has twice as much mana as everyone else.
I agree, it takes time to learn, but during those learning times, I didn't do some Commander-rage-killings, I sat back, played ultra defensively, and chose my attacks based mainly off of who hit me first. Not necessarily the best strategy either, but no one could ever really complain, since you'd be asking for it.
That being said, I still think the two generals that I cannot seem to play, based solely off commander-hate, is Momir and Azusa. There seems to be some demented Azusa combo deck running around, and whenever I choose her, I seem to get his lynch mob instead of a real game, and Momir has some crazy lockdown strategy that no one has yet to show me how it works. I ended up switching the UG general to Experiment Kraj just to stop the insta-hate.
keep that cat quiet