Esper Storm in Pauper before Frantic Search was banned is a great example of a deck that was so slow it would lose matches to time out before it would kill you twice. Even though it would be absolutely clear the Esper deck had won, as I mentioned earlier, there is no obligation to concede, and while it may be the "polite" thing to do, it could certainly be argued the polite thing to do was not play that deck.
Thank again for banning that card Wizards, acting slowly is better than not acting at all.
First, just wanted to point out Hallowed Fountain is currently the most expensive Modern land at 36 tickets, significantly more than Underground Sea. Grove of the Burnwillows was only useful with a recently banned card and I expect it go to under 5 dollars quickly unless it sees real traction in Legacy.
Second, there is a difference between forcing you opponent to beat you in the time allotted, and stalling. You aren't obligated to stop blocking or concede just because the game looks lost and your opponent is running out of time.
Activating abilities unnecessarily, such as using stitcher's apprentice for no reason other than to create more triggers to click through is in fact against the code of conduct and is stalling.
I have won games where opponents had infinite combos I couldn't interrupt but they were unable to get going in time - that's they're problem and deck choice, just as you aren't obligated to concede to infinite lifegain online, that's just the nature of how online play works.
However I've also seen opponents play around with auto-yields and triggers attempting to make me think they had timed out only to log back in with 1 minutes left to advance the next trigger hoping to catch me sleeping. Those are all against the rules, I always report those people, although the mere threat of reporting them is often enough to get them to cut it out. When someone starts that kind of nonsense in sanctioned play, just tell them to check the chat log (ask for the link to report player abuse from the ORC - even if you already have it) and you will see immediate concessions 99 percent of the time.
In just for fun games, I would just leave the game immediately, don't let that type of person waste your time. It is sad that people sometimes try to abuse MTGO but that's the reality of the competitive environment that Wizards has created, there isn't much we can do about it but learn how best to live with it.
3 Wastelands on the casual market during the current lull in prices: 90 tix, getting mentioned on Yawgmoth's Soap Opera: priceless.
Another great show, we the cockroaches with budget classic decks who are about to be eliminated engaging the enemy salute you.
My foray so far has involved buying 4 dark confidants at 11-12 tix each then selling them all for 16-17 tix each when modern price swells hit, that netted me about 20 tix, 5 SOM block drafts netted me about 60 tix and then 5 tempest block and urza block events netted me about another 50 cash and various value in random other singles that are good to have but hard to liquidate at reasonable returns.
The thread where I'm discussing my budget deckbuild is on the magic eternal forums
I bought 3 wastelands at around 29-30 each with a classifieds ad on mtgo since it seems like a key card in the budget decks and expensive decks. Also it seems like a card that will probably creep back upward in price now that that sealed events are gone. So while I'm building my cockroach decks I'm also stocking up on cards I'll need going forward.
The monowhite hatebears deck I'm looking at now attacks at a lot of angles but hopes to put the hurt on any non-hatebear deck pretty hard. I'm running with thorn of amethyst and glowrider and have beaten a shops deck without kataki and a blue oath deck. I'm something like 50% in testing game 1's vs blue based and shops. I like the one game the shops player dropped his spheres and I got my sol ring off and dropped my thorns while stripping all his lands, He basically couldn't do anything fairly quickly from the combo of effects. Ghost quarter is absurd in the format btw, very often better than wasteland in the deck because it can nuke their basics and with arbiter out it just straight up strip mines them.
I have no illusions though(I'm not playing blue after all, *comedy drums*). I hope to get the deck to a point where it has a shot at mising an event every once and awhile before I can switch into something more redonkadonk that the format requires for better win percentages.
First off I just wanted to say that I like the MW3 add ins (we are more than just Magic the Gathering) and second off it's not that you shouldn't play 8/4 because it's "higher caliber" players but because it's a more "pure/dedicated" draft then what you get in swiss. What I mean by this is that in Swiss and to a lesser extent 4/3/2/2 is that people will take the off color Mythic/Rare or draft for collection/sets rather then the winning deck. In 8/4 drafts, the people at the table are drafting to win because the "value" is better if they do that then if they were to draft rares or weaker cards that would normally not go into their decks. If I was drafting a green/white build and saw in pack2 pick1 a fiend hunter and a Bloodgast Demon then I wouldn't just up and pick the Demon where as people in Swiss do that all the time even though they send a better signal (which is important and do not let anyone tell you otherwise!) and take a better card for their deck. I've won 8/4 drafts with really low caliber decks because people in Swiss or 4/3/2/2 ques jump in from time to time to give it a shot only to lose to themselves because they fall into the "I see a rare and have to take it so no-one plays it against me or would be nice in my EDH deck" mindset and believe me, my friends tell me all the time that they joined and opened an Olivia in the last pack and hate drafted it instead of taking the Slayer of the Wicked in their Green/White deck and ended up losing round 1 because they drafted wrong. Anyway just wanted to let you know that you can dominate Swiss ques all day long but it's not because the players are weaker but mostly because the way it's drafted is different.
This basically a tactic used by players who see someone who is a slow player or for some other reason (relog etc) has little time left for the match, and knows they will hit "OK" for EVERY trigger, so they make 1000x OKs each eating a few seconds off their clock, and then hit F6 themselves and wait for their op to time out. I've seen this happen occasionally.
Seems more of a jedi mind trick of play style than anything actionable. But maybe I am wrong.
I've also seen players do the activate x ability/cast x spell during draw step or other odd place in order to trigger a possible F6 or other miskey thus leading to bad play on their opponent's part.
I had a guy do that twice in one turn, and made a little comment and he actually posted ":p" in response. IE: Caught him being shady and *shrug*...it doesn't matter in non-stakes games but I've also seen this in tourney so I guess there is some CoC comment there. Meh it all seems avoidable anyway if you are at least a tiny bit awake.
i dont see what the big deal is with stalling. there is a chess timer
if my opponent wants to spent 15 mins off their clock screwing around. so be it. i still have my 20+ mins to execute my gameplan.
i would personally never ever report someone for so play. thats just silly.
on mtgo that is. no chess clocks in paper
also on fow promo.
1st off, isnt the pt promos, ie flusterstorm and one eye all season long, ie you get them for 3- 4 pts?
2nd have you seen a copy with your own eyes, in person? Ive seen fake fow promos on mtgsalvation.
i would love for this to be true but think it wont. also it should be the grandprix promo. so many in the market would bring down the price so much for legacy and vintage players.
would love to see it has the next life time rewards promo. war monger was a joke.
there are 3 "regular"shops that 4-0ed. if by regular you mean 13 spheres.
if you mean pre mercadian masques regular, then yes your right, as all 3 had tangle wires.
Though I have concerns with telling people to report "stalling". It is each players responsibility to manage their own clock, that's why stops and f6 etc are available. I would hate to have WotC bogged down with bogus vengeful claims as opposed to dealing with real issues. Also why no Elesh Norn tracking, she was 2 tickets for a long time after her release and only got up to 8 or so with ISD, today she is 20+..I know you can't list everything, but she has been a big mover, just thought id throw that in there..thanks.
if he had rebuke on the last turn it wouldn't matter, you could smite his guy on your turn, then play noble precombat so even if he has the rebuke he dies to noble trigger...
I dunno who "they" are, but heck ya I like winning. To Bobbakake, no joke, if you want a commander Sol Ring, hit me on MTGO, cuz I have the 5 from the commander decks plus the one from FTV so I'm not hurting for em. If anything, pass it (or other cards) on in good faith / help someone else out, and we'll be good. And please don't everyone jump on that and pretend to be Bobbakake.
It's pretty sweet winning, I must say. I just have no clue which to select :-S Torn between that awesome Black Sun or one of the packs (cuz I am a gamblin' man).
As for the Goyf, I'd looooooove a reprint, because I wasn't around during the original release on MTGO or on Paper, so to be able to crack open one would be pretty sweet. I've cracked a foil Yawgmoth's Bargain, a foil Jace, and back-to-back Vensers and TezzAoBs, so if I crack a foil Goyf I will have officially won the crack-wars.
Esper Storm in Pauper before Frantic Search was banned is a great example of a deck that was so slow it would lose matches to time out before it would kill you twice. Even though it would be absolutely clear the Esper deck had won, as I mentioned earlier, there is no obligation to concede, and while it may be the "polite" thing to do, it could certainly be argued the polite thing to do was not play that deck.
Thank again for banning that card Wizards, acting slowly is better than not acting at all.
First, just wanted to point out Hallowed Fountain is currently the most expensive Modern land at 36 tickets, significantly more than Underground Sea. Grove of the Burnwillows was only useful with a recently banned card and I expect it go to under 5 dollars quickly unless it sees real traction in Legacy.
Second, there is a difference between forcing you opponent to beat you in the time allotted, and stalling. You aren't obligated to stop blocking or concede just because the game looks lost and your opponent is running out of time.
Activating abilities unnecessarily, such as using stitcher's apprentice for no reason other than to create more triggers to click through is in fact against the code of conduct and is stalling.
I have won games where opponents had infinite combos I couldn't interrupt but they were unable to get going in time - that's they're problem and deck choice, just as you aren't obligated to concede to infinite lifegain online, that's just the nature of how online play works.
However I've also seen opponents play around with auto-yields and triggers attempting to make me think they had timed out only to log back in with 1 minutes left to advance the next trigger hoping to catch me sleeping. Those are all against the rules, I always report those people, although the mere threat of reporting them is often enough to get them to cut it out. When someone starts that kind of nonsense in sanctioned play, just tell them to check the chat log (ask for the link to report player abuse from the ORC - even if you already have it) and you will see immediate concessions 99 percent of the time.
In just for fun games, I would just leave the game immediately, don't let that type of person waste your time. It is sad that people sometimes try to abuse MTGO but that's the reality of the competitive environment that Wizards has created, there isn't much we can do about it but learn how best to live with it.
Giants Beat Cowboys. Cowboys don't make the playoffs.... Oh and the Mavs are miserable this season.
Just a quick reminder.
seemed that way last week, I laughed every time lol
3 Wastelands on the casual market during the current lull in prices: 90 tix, getting mentioned on Yawgmoth's Soap Opera: priceless.
Another great show, we the cockroaches with budget classic decks who are about to be eliminated engaging the enemy salute you.
My foray so far has involved buying 4 dark confidants at 11-12 tix each then selling them all for 16-17 tix each when modern price swells hit, that netted me about 20 tix, 5 SOM block drafts netted me about 60 tix and then 5 tempest block and urza block events netted me about another 50 cash and various value in random other singles that are good to have but hard to liquidate at reasonable returns.
The thread where I'm discussing my budget deckbuild is on the magic eternal forums
I bought 3 wastelands at around 29-30 each with a classifieds ad on mtgo since it seems like a key card in the budget decks and expensive decks. Also it seems like a card that will probably creep back upward in price now that that sealed events are gone. So while I'm building my cockroach decks I'm also stocking up on cards I'll need going forward.
The monowhite hatebears deck I'm looking at now attacks at a lot of angles but hopes to put the hurt on any non-hatebear deck pretty hard. I'm running with thorn of amethyst and glowrider and have beaten a shops deck without kataki and a blue oath deck. I'm something like 50% in testing game 1's vs blue based and shops. I like the one game the shops player dropped his spheres and I got my sol ring off and dropped my thorns while stripping all his lands, He basically couldn't do anything fairly quickly from the combo of effects. Ghost quarter is absurd in the format btw, very often better than wasteland in the deck because it can nuke their basics and with arbiter out it just straight up strip mines them.
I have no illusions though(I'm not playing blue after all, *comedy drums*). I hope to get the deck to a point where it has a shot at mising an event every once and awhile before I can switch into something more redonkadonk that the format requires for better win percentages.
First off I just wanted to say that I like the MW3 add ins (we are more than just Magic the Gathering) and second off it's not that you shouldn't play 8/4 because it's "higher caliber" players but because it's a more "pure/dedicated" draft then what you get in swiss. What I mean by this is that in Swiss and to a lesser extent 4/3/2/2 is that people will take the off color Mythic/Rare or draft for collection/sets rather then the winning deck. In 8/4 drafts, the people at the table are drafting to win because the "value" is better if they do that then if they were to draft rares or weaker cards that would normally not go into their decks. If I was drafting a green/white build and saw in pack2 pick1 a fiend hunter and a Bloodgast Demon then I wouldn't just up and pick the Demon where as people in Swiss do that all the time even though they send a better signal (which is important and do not let anyone tell you otherwise!) and take a better card for their deck. I've won 8/4 drafts with really low caliber decks because people in Swiss or 4/3/2/2 ques jump in from time to time to give it a shot only to lose to themselves because they fall into the "I see a rare and have to take it so no-one plays it against me or would be nice in my EDH deck" mindset and believe me, my friends tell me all the time that they joined and opened an Olivia in the last pack and hate drafted it instead of taking the Slayer of the Wicked in their Green/White deck and ended up losing round 1 because they drafted wrong. Anyway just wanted to let you know that you can dominate Swiss ques all day long but it's not because the players are weaker but mostly because the way it's drafted is different.
This basically a tactic used by players who see someone who is a slow player or for some other reason (relog etc) has little time left for the match, and knows they will hit "OK" for EVERY trigger, so they make 1000x OKs each eating a few seconds off their clock, and then hit F6 themselves and wait for their op to time out. I've seen this happen occasionally.
Seems more of a jedi mind trick of play style than anything actionable. But maybe I am wrong.
I've also seen players do the activate x ability/cast x spell during draw step or other odd place in order to trigger a possible F6 or other miskey thus leading to bad play on their opponent's part.
I had a guy do that twice in one turn, and made a little comment and he actually posted ":p" in response. IE: Caught him being shady and *shrug*...it doesn't matter in non-stakes games but I've also seen this in tourney so I guess there is some CoC comment there. Meh it all seems avoidable anyway if you are at least a tiny bit awake.
ha ha do i say that often? i know i say thats unfortunate a lot.
Yes, kinda. I meant without forgemaster, since i missed the lonly slash panther list on my first look.
i dont see what the big deal is with stalling. there is a chess timer
if my opponent wants to spent 15 mins off their clock screwing around. so be it. i still have my 20+ mins to execute my gameplan.
i would personally never ever report someone for so play. thats just silly.
on mtgo that is. no chess clocks in paper
also on fow promo.
1st off, isnt the pt promos, ie flusterstorm and one eye all season long, ie you get them for 3- 4 pts?
2nd have you seen a copy with your own eyes, in person? Ive seen fake fow promos on mtgsalvation.
i would love for this to be true but think it wont. also it should be the grandprix promo. so many in the market would bring down the price so much for legacy and vintage players.
would love to see it has the next life time rewards promo. war monger was a joke.
I am so investing in that as "my" deck
there are 3 "regular"shops that 4-0ed. if by regular you mean 13 spheres.
if you mean pre mercadian masques regular, then yes your right, as all 3 had tangle wires.
rendering replays now for monday/tuesday ptv
If it is the same as the paper FNM card it should be Glistener Elf for January.
http://i.imgur.com/rYQdj.jpg
Not listened yet, but certainly - thx for the Meta stuff, interesting to see. Not one normal Workshop so far is kinda odd.
Though I have concerns with telling people to report "stalling". It is each players responsibility to manage their own clock, that's why stops and f6 etc are available. I would hate to have WotC bogged down with bogus vengeful claims as opposed to dealing with real issues. Also why no Elesh Norn tracking, she was 2 tickets for a long time after her release and only got up to 8 or so with ISD, today she is 20+..I know you can't list everything, but she has been a big mover, just thought id throw that in there..thanks.
if he had rebuke on the last turn it wouldn't matter, you could smite his guy on your turn, then play noble precombat so even if he has the rebuke he dies to noble trigger...
unless you were referring to smite...
I was disappointed to miss out on my fav penguin tagline "I'm so bad at Magic"
I would love a video spotlight of the 4C Fish deck you were playing yesterday...
It looked like a lot of fun.
Congratulations to you and everyone who has qualified.
Sweet - recorded, submitted and live under 10 hrs.
- Good Job All
Sphere of Resistance's numbers are inverted.
love the work, love the format, hate the prices
That's the surprise card you only play it if needed during the matches!
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I dunno who "they" are, but heck ya I like winning. To Bobbakake, no joke, if you want a commander Sol Ring, hit me on MTGO, cuz I have the 5 from the commander decks plus the one from FTV so I'm not hurting for em. If anything, pass it (or other cards) on in good faith / help someone else out, and we'll be good. And please don't everyone jump on that and pretend to be Bobbakake.
It's pretty sweet winning, I must say. I just have no clue which to select :-S Torn between that awesome Black Sun or one of the packs (cuz I am a gamblin' man).
As for the Goyf, I'd looooooove a reprint, because I wasn't around during the original release on MTGO or on Paper, so to be able to crack open one would be pretty sweet. I've cracked a foil Yawgmoth's Bargain, a foil Jace, and back-to-back Vensers and TezzAoBs, so if I crack a foil Goyf I will have officially won the crack-wars.