Shard I have had a lot of fun at the PRES. Losing to Evolver3's elves yet again while waiting to draw a sweeper (or in one game a red source) is always frustrating but then the other two matches my deck just played beautifully. Kalandine's deck in round 3 did give me a run for my money and the 3rd game was a total squeaker.
Markus you earn your nickname yet again. Both your own deck and the decks listed here are things of beauty. I for one dislike Green allies not because they suck but because of the meta game. White Green can be fast enough to do serious damage before sweepers run rampant but that is the only deck I'd play them in. I strongly dislike the druid ally. Don't ask me why.
The Black - White Bidding Allies looks especially fun if you have the removal suite. Sadly Vindicates are still up there.
RE: Scars...I mentioned this in /auction when I read about it and the irony of the name and half the players were like: "Man I hated affinity" the other half were: "What's ironic about it?".
I don't know what happened last year with Mike (aside from what was mentioned here) but that statement was very confusing and awkward.
As far as the barriers to enter Legacy tourneys go, I am not even a little interested. Even if I had the cards which would eat huge holes in my pockets, my heart is still with the fringe formats and not really into uber competitive formats.
By the way Im loving Phyrexia vs Coalition. I wish I could get more. oh and the Carriers are all from Urza's Legacy.
About the marketplace changes. I, for one love them. The 'tan' used to make me have to squint. The decorations were annoying and I don't care about the order at all. The one thing I wish wotc would do is implement a drop off function vs those names you have blocked. And or a pop the names you have buddied to the top of your list type of function.
I actually like Walking Atlas, too subtle to be targeted, good blocker mid/late. Plus the artwork is deluxe! I often find myself trapped by good artwork - looking past the mechanics of said card, a sort of artistic optimism.
oh my guys. Ya know i love ya and this podcast, but man what a train wreck for my ears.
First of all i know that all of u are not familliar with everything that goes on in magic, but this podcast is ussally cutting edge and hammy is usally an encyclopedia. It was painful to hear you try and remember blightning and gp madrid, as well as ad nauseam. minor problem really but still.
Also the whole april fools thing? whatever i dont care eitrher way it didnt effect me. I dont see how it could possibly get anyone to quit a format but maybe it wassent 1 guy rambling on a forumn?
good god, your opinion on classics health is appalling! its gonna die? unlikely. legacy will be more popular and fire a lot compared to classic, no doubt. but classic has been struggling since the 10 tik premier. Going back to the sunday afternoon time slot at 6 tix and 24 people will absolutly bouy classic. sure there will be only 1 event a week but it will be consistent and allow a meta to develop over a period of time. 100c, and pauper must be on deaths door too.
saga has a bunch of cards that will see play in legacy. ill gotten gains is way way way down at the bottom.
classic is still here and i gaurentee that the loss of 10 tix 33 player random time slot will make it stronger, if not as visible as it use to be.
I do apologize for my use of "karmic". Completely the wrong term for the situation. You don't want Classic to die (nor do I, for that matter). It's not your fault, not is it your desire. So, for that, I truly do apologize.
It is still amazingly coincidental/bizarre that one year to the very day of that interaction we have Legacy online which will be an Officially backed format for Eternal Magic on MTGO. I'm not sure what term I'd use to tie the two events together, because while they aren't related, the certainly are interesting in their timing.
I mean, if I would have retorted last year that "Oh well, Classic will be facing Legacy this time next year" it would have rightly been dismissed as further april-foolery. Yet, here we are. The timing just strikes me as amazingly coincidental... as I've already said.
As for me stopping Classic, I was already on the fence about it. Your joke stung right off the bat, but you apologized. But re-reading it a couple days later... more of the community had joined your jest attacks at WotC with real attacks. Not all, not even the majority, but enough to make me question my stance on the format as a whole. The end result was of me stepping quietly away from it to let it go where it would. I didn't make a big deal of it, nor did I raise a stink. I just stopped participating as it no longer was a format I was interested in. I was nothing personal, nor anything to do directly with the joke you pulled. There were just a lot of things I had to question after that whole ordeal and the end result was that I wasn't in to Classic any more. It probably would have happened at some point anyway, that was just a jump-start, so to speak.
So, again, I am sorry for saying it was "Karma". That infers a lot of actions to you that were never there. But as we've talked about in game, I really do feel that this is going to critically injure Classic, if not outright kill it. There are ways to keep the interest alive in Classic, and WotC can certainly make that happen if they choose. But if things stay as they are, Classic is probably going to die in the wake of a fully supported Legacy format.
Dangerlinto has been trying to keep classic afloat forEVER. He's not in anyones pocket, he wants whats best for the community, I'd give him any amount of backing...
dont you mean tarmotog for 100cs? I realize they're both asian but im pretty sure from listening to the podcast that sebastian doesn't play that format (IF you do... sorry! But you certainly don't write about it)
I'm sorry - what turned you off classic? That you thought that my april's fools joke was in poor taste? Why should that turn you off classic?
If Sebastian suddenly got upset at WoTC for something 100 CS related, would that turn you off? If Alex got pissed would that turn you off Pauper? Is Stephen Menedian and Ben Bleiweiss went to the WoTC offices and had a secret meeting about the reserve list and then wrote a premium article about it, would that turn you off Vintage and Legacy?
I expect the verbal pot shot I took at you in the MTGO forums had something to do with it, but it couldn't be that because, as you said, it's not a grudge.
Not only did I come online that very day and apologize to you personally for using you that way, I also did so on my own site publically. It was a low blow to be sure, but then, there was that kernel of truth to it - you *do* get paid in store credit, as everyone who writes here - it's not volunteer work. That's why it worked. As I said before, if you weren't so damn good at poking holes in all the uncharacteristic tendencies I showed that day, I probably wouldn't have had to (or bother to) respond like that in order to keep up my ruse :)
I don't think I have to explain again, a year later, that there isn't a single person who thinks what you contribute isn't valuable. Me more than practically anyone else.
But to bring it up a later later and describe it as some Karmic justice is laughable. I've known this day was coming for a long time - everyone did. just not the exact date. In fact, *we* were both the ones who suggested waiting until Saga to split the format way back when. I don't see how there is anything Karmic about it.
It's not like were were firing off PE after PE anyway. It's also entirely possible now that it's a cheaper, flatter payout of the weekend challenges we'll actually fire MORE PEs
I've been working on some grixis allies, which is sort of more mid-range then pure aggro. You get your standard dudes, and the loremasters for card advantage, and also blightnings, terminate, bolts, etc. Finisher is usually Kazuul attacks or dual diabolists getting there, etc.
You need some counterspells to at least protect your allies. True tapping out happens a lot, but if you play more midrange you can afford to let the game go a bit longer. Cryptic command is cryptic command, and so that is what you need.
I love this podcast and listen to it every week, but Dangerlinto has every right to be pissed. Classic will not die, per se, but instead, it will experience a lull until they make it vintage in December (fingers crossed). Even if they don't give us the Power 9 we need, we will still easily fire the weekend tournament (which has one of the best payouts available) and transition into legacy (with all the new players it will bring). In all honesty, I was taken aback at first by this decision, but I have come around. My collection jumped in value a good 20-30% and is still rising. Legacy will be fun. If I'm free for a weekend tournament, I will still play classic. And if vintage ever does come online, I will buy into it wholeheartedly. Long live eternal magic!!
You guys owe Dangerlinto a little bit of an apology. Classic will not die. He did not attack anyone. He is the best thing classic has going for it, he has spearheaded an online legacy forum, and I can guarantee you that his efforts are much appreciated by the entire eternal community.
oh wow, i remember this deck from two-three years ago in classic pdc pre's. I think Khirareq was the designer of the deck but it may have been icarodx. It was basically a UWG sliver deck using support cards from the classic card pool. http://forums.pdcmagic.com/viewtopic.php?t=646
Nice to see you calm and collected again. And message to Swiss draft haters - it is the format that is equal in QP value for championship series, as I know 8-4 is not awarding 3 points to winners. I am lousy beginner myself with sub 1600 limited rating and I can say I won 3 8-4 drafts, zero 4-3-2-2 drafts and 1 swiss draft - and I played in roughly equal number of them.
With all due respect, your actions last year pissed off a lot of people, myself included. While I have indeed forgiven you of your april fool's joke (I forgave you long, long ago, actually); it was still something that turned me and a few others off of Classic in general.
In case people don't know what happened, or have forgotten I'll link the the threads for posterity.
Perhaps my 'karmic' statement was a bit too far. However I find it interesting that one year, to the *day* of your joke; Legacy will be online.
So, to say that his actions stung me and Sebastian directly is not an exaggeration. I was actually hurt by Mike's actions that day. I consider him a friend (both then and now) and to have him become so vile and angry at me was... unpleasant.
To be completely clear though. I harbor no hard feelings towards Mike, none what so ever. He's a great guy and simply took a joke a bit too far. Something many of us have done at one time or another.
However! That doesn't mean that I won't bring up what turned me off of Classic when it's applicable. And I can't think of any more applicable time than Legacy coming out in a few short days.
Summary: I have zero grudge with Mike. I look forward to Legacy on MTGO. I think Mike does great things for Eternal Magic on MTGO and look forward to what he does with Legacy, and he's just a great guy in general. None of that changes the impacts of his actions ~1 year ago. *shrug*
I messed around with a Red Death list for classic awhile back. Black/Red have always been fun colors to me and the list was fun to play, running helmline md. It was to slow for classic, maybe it is better suited for Legacy. I might just have to mess around with it again. What about a red death list using depths/hex?
I think because of certain card prices you might see old legacy decks ran more often online.
I've been messing around with Aluren in TP. The decklist is slow which I find extremely funny. Natural order cost the same amount, but yet is a much better option, better shell and less fragile I suppose.
Aluren is way to fragile of a combo. Every creature comes into play as a spell and can be countered. It is easily disrupted by STP or stifle. I've won a few matches, but the list def has me wondering why in the heck I decided to buy the cards for that list in the first place lol.
I think you start by removing all your creatures and replacing them with anything, but allies :)
That vamp deck is fantastic... playing a lot of tribal recently in casual I'm 100% sick of Vampire already.. literally every third game or less is mono black vamps and 90% of those lists are the same as you'd see in a Std tourny... how a tourny level deck decides its ok for casual simply because its from a different format is beyond me... one of those things where you win 50% or more, but you want to see something different for once.. ok ranting over that vamp deck is awesome, once you see the title you know exactly whats going on and wonder why you didn't think of the idea first
Thanks kenwakooo ~ silly descriptions are a mainstay in my writing style, so as to keep the reader awake! :) Funny, there's some anonymous hater following my articles, saying I need to stop writing like this and being more logic (see:also)boring. They're literally wishing all colorful stuff out, so the report would be:
"...A then B...then C...I'm a human posing as a robot....error3481: Why isn't anyone reading?" ;)
I'd been getting bored with the offered formats on MTGO lately, and I always work during the pauper PE, so finding out where all these PRE's are set up is a huge blessing. Of course, I won't be able to do any of them till after I get back from spring break, but at least I'll have something to do
Shard I have had a lot of fun at the PRES. Losing to Evolver3's elves yet again while waiting to draw a sweeper (or in one game a red source) is always frustrating but then the other two matches my deck just played beautifully. Kalandine's deck in round 3 did give me a run for my money and the 3rd game was a total squeaker.
Markus you earn your nickname yet again. Both your own deck and the decks listed here are things of beauty. I for one dislike Green allies not because they suck but because of the meta game. White Green can be fast enough to do serious damage before sweepers run rampant but that is the only deck I'd play them in. I strongly dislike the druid ally. Don't ask me why.
The Black - White Bidding Allies looks especially fun if you have the removal suite. Sadly Vindicates are still up there.
RE: Scars...I mentioned this in /auction when I read about it and the irony of the name and half the players were like: "Man I hated affinity" the other half were: "What's ironic about it?".
I don't know what happened last year with Mike (aside from what was mentioned here) but that statement was very confusing and awkward.
As far as the barriers to enter Legacy tourneys go, I am not even a little interested. Even if I had the cards which would eat huge holes in my pockets, my heart is still with the fringe formats and not really into uber competitive formats.
By the way Im loving Phyrexia vs Coalition. I wish I could get more. oh and the Carriers are all from Urza's Legacy.
About the marketplace changes. I, for one love them. The 'tan' used to make me have to squint. The decorations were annoying and I don't care about the order at all. The one thing I wish wotc would do is implement a drop off function vs those names you have blocked. And or a pop the names you have buddied to the top of your list type of function.
Urza's schedule:
Prerelease: http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/031610e
Release: http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/031610d
first and last time to this site, nice content, jk
I actually like Walking Atlas, too subtle to be targeted, good blocker mid/late. Plus the artwork is deluxe! I often find myself trapped by good artwork - looking past the mechanics of said card, a sort of artistic optimism.
oh my guys. Ya know i love ya and this podcast, but man what a train wreck for my ears.
First of all i know that all of u are not familliar with everything that goes on in magic, but this podcast is ussally cutting edge and hammy is usally an encyclopedia. It was painful to hear you try and remember blightning and gp madrid, as well as ad nauseam. minor problem really but still.
Also the whole april fools thing? whatever i dont care eitrher way it didnt effect me. I dont see how it could possibly get anyone to quit a format but maybe it wassent 1 guy rambling on a forumn?
good god, your opinion on classics health is appalling! its gonna die? unlikely. legacy will be more popular and fire a lot compared to classic, no doubt. but classic has been struggling since the 10 tik premier. Going back to the sunday afternoon time slot at 6 tix and 24 people will absolutly bouy classic. sure there will be only 1 event a week but it will be consistent and allow a meta to develop over a period of time. 100c, and pauper must be on deaths door too.
saga has a bunch of cards that will see play in legacy. ill gotten gains is way way way down at the bottom.
classic is still here and i gaurentee that the loss of 10 tix 33 player random time slot will make it stronger, if not as visible as it use to be.
I rewrote that paragraph. I meant Tarmotog & 100Cs (I don't actually know his real name). Runeliger = Sebastian.
The asian thing is an embarrassing coincidence. My apologies there - I can't edit it.
I do apologize for my use of "karmic". Completely the wrong term for the situation. You don't want Classic to die (nor do I, for that matter). It's not your fault, not is it your desire. So, for that, I truly do apologize.
It is still amazingly coincidental/bizarre that one year to the very day of that interaction we have Legacy online which will be an Officially backed format for Eternal Magic on MTGO. I'm not sure what term I'd use to tie the two events together, because while they aren't related, the certainly are interesting in their timing.
I mean, if I would have retorted last year that "Oh well, Classic will be facing Legacy this time next year" it would have rightly been dismissed as further april-foolery. Yet, here we are. The timing just strikes me as amazingly coincidental... as I've already said.
As for me stopping Classic, I was already on the fence about it. Your joke stung right off the bat, but you apologized. But re-reading it a couple days later... more of the community had joined your jest attacks at WotC with real attacks. Not all, not even the majority, but enough to make me question my stance on the format as a whole. The end result was of me stepping quietly away from it to let it go where it would. I didn't make a big deal of it, nor did I raise a stink. I just stopped participating as it no longer was a format I was interested in. I was nothing personal, nor anything to do directly with the joke you pulled. There were just a lot of things I had to question after that whole ordeal and the end result was that I wasn't in to Classic any more. It probably would have happened at some point anyway, that was just a jump-start, so to speak.
So, again, I am sorry for saying it was "Karma". That infers a lot of actions to you that were never there. But as we've talked about in game, I really do feel that this is going to critically injure Classic, if not outright kill it. There are ways to keep the interest alive in Classic, and WotC can certainly make that happen if they choose. But if things stay as they are, Classic is probably going to die in the wake of a fully supported Legacy format.
Dangerlinto has been trying to keep classic afloat forEVER. He's not in anyones pocket, he wants whats best for the community, I'd give him any amount of backing...
Format is full of awesome.
dont you mean tarmotog for 100cs? I realize they're both asian but im pretty sure from listening to the podcast that sebastian doesn't play that format (IF you do... sorry! But you certainly don't write about it)
I'm sorry - what turned you off classic? That you thought that my april's fools joke was in poor taste? Why should that turn you off classic?
If Sebastian suddenly got upset at WoTC for something 100 CS related, would that turn you off? If Alex got pissed would that turn you off Pauper? Is Stephen Menedian and Ben Bleiweiss went to the WoTC offices and had a secret meeting about the reserve list and then wrote a premium article about it, would that turn you off Vintage and Legacy?
I expect the verbal pot shot I took at you in the MTGO forums had something to do with it, but it couldn't be that because, as you said, it's not a grudge.
Not only did I come online that very day and apologize to you personally for using you that way, I also did so on my own site publically. It was a low blow to be sure, but then, there was that kernel of truth to it - you *do* get paid in store credit, as everyone who writes here - it's not volunteer work. That's why it worked. As I said before, if you weren't so damn good at poking holes in all the uncharacteristic tendencies I showed that day, I probably wouldn't have had to (or bother to) respond like that in order to keep up my ruse :)
I don't think I have to explain again, a year later, that there isn't a single person who thinks what you contribute isn't valuable. Me more than practically anyone else.
But to bring it up a later later and describe it as some Karmic justice is laughable. I've known this day was coming for a long time - everyone did. just not the exact date. In fact, *we* were both the ones who suggested waiting until Saga to split the format way back when. I don't see how there is anything Karmic about it.
It's not like were were firing off PE after PE anyway. It's also entirely possible now that it's a cheaper, flatter payout of the weekend challenges we'll actually fire MORE PEs
I've been working on some grixis allies, which is sort of more mid-range then pure aggro. You get your standard dudes, and the loremasters for card advantage, and also blightnings, terminate, bolts, etc. Finisher is usually Kazuul attacks or dual diabolists getting there, etc.
You need some counterspells to at least protect your allies. True tapping out happens a lot, but if you play more midrange you can afford to let the game go a bit longer. Cryptic command is cryptic command, and so that is what you need.
I love this podcast and listen to it every week, but Dangerlinto has every right to be pissed. Classic will not die, per se, but instead, it will experience a lull until they make it vintage in December (fingers crossed). Even if they don't give us the Power 9 we need, we will still easily fire the weekend tournament (which has one of the best payouts available) and transition into legacy (with all the new players it will bring). In all honesty, I was taken aback at first by this decision, but I have come around. My collection jumped in value a good 20-30% and is still rising. Legacy will be fun. If I'm free for a weekend tournament, I will still play classic. And if vintage ever does come online, I will buy into it wholeheartedly. Long live eternal magic!!
You guys owe Dangerlinto a little bit of an apology. Classic will not die. He did not attack anyone. He is the best thing classic has going for it, he has spearheaded an online legacy forum, and I can guarantee you that his efforts are much appreciated by the entire eternal community.
-Deckwizard
great stuff I had kind of heard the format, but never really knew what went into it, nice to finally know
srry for the double comp error.
oh wow, i remember this deck from two-three years ago in classic pdc pre's. I think Khirareq was the designer of the deck but it may have been icarodx. It was basically a UWG sliver deck using support cards from the classic card pool. http://forums.pdcmagic.com/viewtopic.php?t=646
Nice to see you calm and collected again. And message to Swiss draft haters - it is the format that is equal in QP value for championship series, as I know 8-4 is not awarding 3 points to winners. I am lousy beginner myself with sub 1600 limited rating and I can say I won 3 8-4 drafts, zero 4-3-2-2 drafts and 1 swiss draft - and I played in roughly equal number of them.
Typically when you forgive someone you don't bring it up in a public forum and describe it as karmic.
Gotta say Hammy, this is my first time listening to a podcast and I was disappointed. Even if you were upset with him, two wrongs don't make a right.
What is up with the negative writings on this site lately.
Do the writers on this site just need a giant group hug or what!
Mike,
With all due respect, your actions last year pissed off a lot of people, myself included. While I have indeed forgiven you of your april fool's joke (I forgave you long, long ago, actually); it was still something that turned me and a few others off of Classic in general.
In case people don't know what happened, or have forgotten I'll link the the threads for posterity.
Perhaps my 'karmic' statement was a bit too far. However I find it interesting that one year, to the *day* of your joke; Legacy will be online.
For folks interested in the history of this year long coincidence I'll link this:
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75846/19199082/Magic_Online_...
And this:
http://www.classicquarter.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1503&OB=ASC&PN=6
So, to say that his actions stung me and Sebastian directly is not an exaggeration. I was actually hurt by Mike's actions that day. I consider him a friend (both then and now) and to have him become so vile and angry at me was... unpleasant.
To be completely clear though. I harbor no hard feelings towards Mike, none what so ever. He's a great guy and simply took a joke a bit too far. Something many of us have done at one time or another.
However! That doesn't mean that I won't bring up what turned me off of Classic when it's applicable. And I can't think of any more applicable time than Legacy coming out in a few short days.
Summary: I have zero grudge with Mike. I look forward to Legacy on MTGO. I think Mike does great things for Eternal Magic on MTGO and look forward to what he does with Legacy, and he's just a great guy in general. None of that changes the impacts of his actions ~1 year ago. *shrug*
I messed around with a Red Death list for classic awhile back. Black/Red have always been fun colors to me and the list was fun to play, running helmline md. It was to slow for classic, maybe it is better suited for Legacy. I might just have to mess around with it again. What about a red death list using depths/hex?
I think because of certain card prices you might see old legacy decks ran more often online.
I've been messing around with Aluren in TP. The decklist is slow which I find extremely funny. Natural order cost the same amount, but yet is a much better option, better shell and less fragile I suppose.
Aluren is way to fragile of a combo. Every creature comes into play as a spell and can be countered. It is easily disrupted by STP or stifle. I've won a few matches, but the list def has me wondering why in the heck I decided to buy the cards for that list in the first place lol.
I think you start by removing all your creatures and replacing them with anything, but allies :)
That vamp deck is fantastic... playing a lot of tribal recently in casual I'm 100% sick of Vampire already.. literally every third game or less is mono black vamps and 90% of those lists are the same as you'd see in a Std tourny... how a tourny level deck decides its ok for casual simply because its from a different format is beyond me... one of those things where you win 50% or more, but you want to see something different for once.. ok ranting over that vamp deck is awesome, once you see the title you know exactly whats going on and wonder why you didn't think of the idea first
Thanks kenwakooo ~ silly descriptions are a mainstay in my writing style, so as to keep the reader awake! :) Funny, there's some anonymous hater following my articles, saying I need to stop writing like this and being more logic (see:also)boring. They're literally wishing all colorful stuff out, so the report would be:
"...A then B...then C...I'm a human posing as a robot....error3481: Why isn't anyone reading?" ;)
Blue Zoo? Please elaborate!
I'd been getting bored with the offered formats on MTGO lately, and I always work during the pauper PE, so finding out where all these PRE's are set up is a huge blessing. Of course, I won't be able to do any of them till after I get back from spring break, but at least I'll have something to do