so ya Strands has been well known and used for awhile. As i've said before i have absolutely no clue why people were taking it out of their decks... O.o
I wont enter in any personnal debate here.
One thing is important to me : eternal formats and especialy the most unrestricted & unbaned of them (vintage, classic, legacy ...) are the essence of magic. Without them, there is no more sense to collect any kind of cards, there is no sense there would be no way to play full powered. Sure some of these formats are hard to play : prices are high (100S is also very expansive btw), high skills are required (i have not enough but i am working on it). But they are the original formats, the format from mtg is coming from. Dont forget from where mtg is coming, because if it was the case for anyone, it will kill what mtg is. I respect std, ext, vintage and in fact, i respect any format. I want to support any format just because to support each of them is what mtg needs, what i needs to meet more & more players, more & more different aspect of the game. To bash some format, especialy classic which is the most free of all format is an absolut non sense. No reason to do that except maybe not to know it at all. only my opinion (signed btw) & no offense. Peace & respect are the basis of every sports & games.
"This should be an article about how to get lucky in drafting against people who don't know what they are doing."
Agreed.
6th pick Hideous End = no one is playing black, and you happened to get lucky enough to have been cutting that color. Which then, when compounding the right alignment of the cosmos, somehow the first pack was weak in black. Considering that about 75% of black in Zendikar is above average in strength, this required quite a bit of luck. Generally speaking, there is enough good black cards for everyone at the table in Zendikar, you happened to be seated in the right seat, in the right draft, under the right pool of cards. It worked this time, but it's only once in a blue moon that it works this well.
The guy across the table from you could have been "cutting" black as well, which he could easily have done inadvertently by just picking the strongest 4 cards from the first 4 picks (which a lot of the time, will be black) and you would end up w/ crappy black cards in the end anyways.
To tote this method as a "basic" to the game, you really need to let people know that it can screw you very badly if you don't adapt at a certain point. Your trying to be instructional, but only give a very one sided view of the picture, which is misleading to new players.
I read this thread and thought "Huh. I must be at one of the other fan sites, dealing with a bunch of kids, because the players I know would NEVER act like little children."
Random anonymous guy is right! These despicable podcasters are the bane of all that is good and true on MTGO. They, individually and collectively, are the Mark Rosewater of Magic Online, dedicated to killing the game we all love. They must be stopped! Their heinous crimes against Classic must never be forgiven nor forgotten. Brothers, comrades in arms, I implore you, sign this petition! Let us unite in our opprobium towards these reprobates.
I ask you, what have these vile podcasters ever done for MTGO? Has anything of any benefit to the online game ever come from any one of these who sully the digital airwaves with their foulmouthed blathering? Not one of you could ever point to the least bit of positivity from these three vile demons of the podcastly art. Let them be cast down forever, banned from this website, and, with righteousness on our side, from MTGO itself!
My brethren, sign the petition. In the name of all that is good and true, it is the only right course of action.
wow anonymous is on a roll today but also so full of fail its hilarious. Might as well add me to that list too. Personally I think baseline Classic is also dying the fringe formats will be fine, but a straightup classic event? good luck with those
Hey guys. Let's make this Freed from the Real the last one.
I know anyone who loves Magic will have realised by now that these morons are ruining magic online. All they do is spout this bs about stuff they don't even know anything about.
Sign the petition. It basically says that their no longer welcomed here. If we get enough people to sign and boycott puremtgo, I'm sure they'll fire them. These guys are godawful and should be removed from magic online.
Hell if we get enough signatures, maybe we can get them banned from mtgo too.
you guys (the podcasters) are clearly as stupid as we are. Making the first time we visit a website to listen JUST to this podcast specifically then make a generalization without having actually "listened to anything" because you bashed classic. Clearly you guys are all stupid to have voiced your opinions about OUR format. CLASSIC.
You all suck. Even though we being the offended two people are probably classic players and therefore have probably listened to this stuff before, but hey, by implying that you guys are losing listeners, we feel super important.
Additionally, We'll never listen to your podcast again, until some classic player tells us that you guys have said something stupid again, at which point we'll make our return to say that you've lost even more listeners.
So yeah. Erik, AJ, and Sebastian. You guys are awful people for having ever created this podcast. How dare you bash classic. If I was in charge of pureMTGO I would demand that you all be kicked off this website for your stupidity.
It's also banned pretty much everywhere else (100 CS, Tribal, etc) too for those fans of those format.
I am in fact, still surprised that the prices of classic only cards haven't tanked harder. I mean, Mana Drain is still 14 on Traders. Most people in classifieds are still selling for 13 or more and some buying at 10-11. All the other classic only cards show pretty much the same, very small, depreciation in the time since the announcement. Far less than I expected.
Tell me the price difference between a good Legacy collection and a good Classic collection?
I'd be surprised if it more than a couple hundred dollars - not a lot. Price isn't going to be much of a barrier, especially since so many players already have those cards
classic is indeed dying. it was relegated from daily event status to weekend status...
this is different from 100CS or pauper which has been weekend events and hasn't been relegated to any lesser degree...
for example, the pick your format PE has certainly died. why? it started as a weekend PE and is not longer being continued... it isn't a stretch to say that if an event goes from DE/PE status to strictly weekend PE status. to me, that indicates that the format is dying, or at worst, it is struggling to survive.
First, guys, don't let the negative comments get you down. (In other words, don't be me.)
Second, don't worry too much about not being perfect. Sure, you had a few errors. I cringed in a couple places. So what? You can't be perfect all the time - especially in a conversation. Suggest ion, though - if you want to talk in depth about a format you don't play, invite someone on the podcast to participate. (Ironic comment, no? - given that *I* just wrote some limited articles.)
Third, Dangerlinto stepped on some toes a while back, and it irked you. He definately could have phrasd his points better, but he didn't, and you resent it. Now you are telling Classic players that their format is dying. Maybe true, maybe not, but you are stepping one thier toes, and a bit of sympathy / apology might have helped smooth that over.
Fourth - Classic player, sorry, but they may be right about the format. I don't doubt that you (we, I guess - I play Classic on occassion, too) may continue to get 17 players to play in an event once a week. However, you have a very expensive format that is only going to get more expensive. It may not matter to you folks. (Last weekend I resolved a Sadistic Sacrament against Wizard not of the Coast, and well, you know what I mean.) The point is that the buy-in for Vintage will be far to high for the reward, so people will play Legacy, or Standard, or anything else instead. In the end, there will be just a few of you, and then you will go the way of Prismatic, or 5Color, or non-proxy Vintage, or 1-1-1 Emperor, or K-scope, or the guys who show up at GenCon every year to play Magic with Alpha cards using the Alpha rulebook. There may well be enough of you to keep the format "alive" - but not necessarily enough to keep Wizards interested in supporting sanctioned tournaments, or keeping up a good B&R list. And I'm sorry about that, but that's just the way it is. And, given the corporate decision on the paper reserve list, likely the way it is going to stay.
Fifth - the B&R update. True, Wizards did not restrict anything besides YawgWin, but I'm not sure it was necessary, yet. Tolarian Academy was broken, even in Standard, but that was a Standard with Mana Vault, which is not online yet. In Vintage, Academy pairs with the SolLoMoxen, which are also absent. At best, we might see High Tide return, but I doubt it is broken. Fish should eat it alive. Having played in Standard during the Urza's epoch, I don't see this as a mistake, but more that Wizards didn't see anything that needed restriction.
Sixth - guys, thanks for the effort you put into this every week.
The haters will hate. The rest of us love you. Don't pay the haters the heed they do not deserve. Meanwhile I do not usually enjoy draft related articles that much (Godot being the notable exception) but your articles definitely are hitting a missing niche. Drafting for the non expert is a chance taking mess. Seeing how to plan for the various picks and color selection and how to take advantage of mixed signals etc are all important bits of data.
As far as the anon posters go, sometimes they say some interesting and even positive things but I for one would love to see them go away. Anonymous posting is mostly just laziness anyway. Requiring a log in might cause some problems with spoof posters but mostly I think it will go far towards improving communication on this site.
more info on the Strands issue here's from the top 32 of the first ever Pauper PE
5th Petkos 3main -Slivers
11th Emeng 2main 2side -Slivers
12th LastDaysOfMagic 3main -Slivers
19th KSH 4side -Slivers
20th Giraffe 3side -WW
31st dragonian_PL 3main -Slivers
33rd TheCrippler250 3main -Slivers
so ya Strands has been well known and used for awhile. As i've said before i have absolutely no clue why people were taking it out of their decks... O.o
I wont enter in any personnal debate here.
One thing is important to me : eternal formats and especialy the most unrestricted & unbaned of them (vintage, classic, legacy ...) are the essence of magic. Without them, there is no more sense to collect any kind of cards, there is no sense there would be no way to play full powered. Sure some of these formats are hard to play : prices are high (100S is also very expansive btw), high skills are required (i have not enough but i am working on it). But they are the original formats, the format from mtg is coming from. Dont forget from where mtg is coming, because if it was the case for anyone, it will kill what mtg is. I respect std, ext, vintage and in fact, i respect any format. I want to support any format just because to support each of them is what mtg needs, what i needs to meet more & more players, more & more different aspect of the game. To bash some format, especialy classic which is the most free of all format is an absolut non sense. No reason to do that except maybe not to know it at all. only my opinion (signed btw) & no offense. Peace & respect are the basis of every sports & games.
"This should be an article about how to get lucky in drafting against people who don't know what they are doing."
Agreed.
6th pick Hideous End = no one is playing black, and you happened to get lucky enough to have been cutting that color. Which then, when compounding the right alignment of the cosmos, somehow the first pack was weak in black. Considering that about 75% of black in Zendikar is above average in strength, this required quite a bit of luck. Generally speaking, there is enough good black cards for everyone at the table in Zendikar, you happened to be seated in the right seat, in the right draft, under the right pool of cards. It worked this time, but it's only once in a blue moon that it works this well.
The guy across the table from you could have been "cutting" black as well, which he could easily have done inadvertently by just picking the strongest 4 cards from the first 4 picks (which a lot of the time, will be black) and you would end up w/ crappy black cards in the end anyways.
To tote this method as a "basic" to the game, you really need to let people know that it can screw you very badly if you don't adapt at a certain point. Your trying to be instructional, but only give a very one sided view of the picture, which is misleading to new players.
I read this thread and thought "Huh. I must be at one of the other fan sites, dealing with a bunch of kids, because the players I know would NEVER act like little children."
If I sign this petition do I get free cards? Otherwise I'm out.
Random anonymous guy is right! These despicable podcasters are the bane of all that is good and true on MTGO. They, individually and collectively, are the Mark Rosewater of Magic Online, dedicated to killing the game we all love. They must be stopped! Their heinous crimes against Classic must never be forgiven nor forgotten. Brothers, comrades in arms, I implore you, sign this petition! Let us unite in our opprobium towards these reprobates.
I ask you, what have these vile podcasters ever done for MTGO? Has anything of any benefit to the online game ever come from any one of these who sully the digital airwaves with their foulmouthed blathering? Not one of you could ever point to the least bit of positivity from these three vile demons of the podcastly art. Let them be cast down forever, banned from this website, and, with righteousness on our side, from MTGO itself!
My brethren, sign the petition. In the name of all that is good and true, it is the only right course of action.
Not remotely. I think there are better ways to voice your opinion
wow anonymous is on a roll today but also so full of fail its hilarious. Might as well add me to that list too. Personally I think baseline Classic is also dying the fringe formats will be fine, but a straightup classic event? good luck with those
Hey guys. Let's make this Freed from the Real the last one.
I know anyone who loves Magic will have realised by now that these morons are ruining magic online. All they do is spout this bs about stuff they don't even know anything about.
http://www.petitiononline.com/FFtRdies/petition.html
Sign the petition. It basically says that their no longer welcomed here. If we get enough people to sign and boycott puremtgo, I'm sure they'll fire them. These guys are godawful and should be removed from magic online.
Hell if we get enough signatures, maybe we can get them banned from mtgo too.
I say we all boycott PureMTGO until they ban the podcasters from this website!
That would be karma for dissing danger
you guys (the podcasters) are clearly as stupid as we are. Making the first time we visit a website to listen JUST to this podcast specifically then make a generalization without having actually "listened to anything" because you bashed classic. Clearly you guys are all stupid to have voiced your opinions about OUR format. CLASSIC.
You all suck. Even though we being the offended two people are probably classic players and therefore have probably listened to this stuff before, but hey, by implying that you guys are losing listeners, we feel super important.
Additionally, We'll never listen to your podcast again, until some classic player tells us that you guys have said something stupid again, at which point we'll make our return to say that you've lost even more listeners.
So yeah. Erik, AJ, and Sebastian. You guys are awful people for having ever created this podcast. How dare you bash classic. If I was in charge of pureMTGO I would demand that you all be kicked off this website for your stupidity.
GO DANGERLINTO! GO CLASSIC!
sylvan library isnt in either commander deck
lol @ karmic-gate '10
WnotC likes to pimp (her?) deck. I'm guessing the Sacrament revealed an all foil deck, force of wills and oaths included. Not exactly cheap lol
Yeah I must admit this is a great format I've only played in one event myself so far but will hopefully be putting in a appearance this week.
There are so many deck possibilities the choice is endless.
I've also built a prototype Hypergenesus deck which is very similar to yours with the dragon theme and Magister Sphinx :)
heh what does sacrament have to do with it? hurt by the way OMW lol
classic is dying methinks... and if there are so many people that disagree, why aren't they in the queues?
and as i write, sitting in a "soon to not fire" DE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH that was amazing. and Pathetic.
It's also banned pretty much everywhere else (100 CS, Tribal, etc) too for those fans of those format.
I am in fact, still surprised that the prices of classic only cards haven't tanked harder. I mean, Mana Drain is still 14 on Traders. Most people in classifieds are still selling for 13 or more and some buying at 10-11. All the other classic only cards show pretty much the same, very small, depreciation in the time since the announcement. Far less than I expected.
Skipping all the "this isn't a good example of cutting" stuff.
However, I'm a little confused on the "what mistake did I make here" example.
Yes, I saw that you had a ton of untapped swamps and hadn't attacked with the Crypt Ripper.
However, what about the Guul Draz Vamp? Wouldn't not attacking with it also be a mistake?
At that point it's a 4/3 with intimidate, and you'd still have the other two creatures for defense.
I haven't been playing any Zend or WW, so I'm pretty unfamiliar with the cards, so if I've missed
something obvious please feel free to educate me :)
Good points Mike.
Unfortunately we were using the official B&R page for our discussion about Classic's Restriction list which, sadly, doesn't list Tolarian on it:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Resources.aspx?x=magic/rules/mtgoclassic
Probably something they should look at fixing sometimes.
Tell me the price difference between a good Legacy collection and a good Classic collection?
I'd be surprised if it more than a couple hundred dollars - not a lot. Price isn't going to be much of a barrier, especially since so many players already have those cards
Also, again, Tolarian Academy is restricted.
http://community.wizards.com/magiconline/blog/page/3
(It was in the February update - now on page 3 of the blogs)
classic is indeed dying. it was relegated from daily event status to weekend status...
this is different from 100CS or pauper which has been weekend events and hasn't been relegated to any lesser degree...
for example, the pick your format PE has certainly died. why? it started as a weekend PE and is not longer being continued... it isn't a stretch to say that if an event goes from DE/PE status to strictly weekend PE status. to me, that indicates that the format is dying, or at worst, it is struggling to survive.
don't be such a little bitch, dangerlinto.
First, guys, don't let the negative comments get you down. (In other words, don't be me.)
Second, don't worry too much about not being perfect. Sure, you had a few errors. I cringed in a couple places. So what? You can't be perfect all the time - especially in a conversation. Suggest ion, though - if you want to talk in depth about a format you don't play, invite someone on the podcast to participate. (Ironic comment, no? - given that *I* just wrote some limited articles.)
Third, Dangerlinto stepped on some toes a while back, and it irked you. He definately could have phrasd his points better, but he didn't, and you resent it. Now you are telling Classic players that their format is dying. Maybe true, maybe not, but you are stepping one thier toes, and a bit of sympathy / apology might have helped smooth that over.
Fourth - Classic player, sorry, but they may be right about the format. I don't doubt that you (we, I guess - I play Classic on occassion, too) may continue to get 17 players to play in an event once a week. However, you have a very expensive format that is only going to get more expensive. It may not matter to you folks. (Last weekend I resolved a Sadistic Sacrament against Wizard not of the Coast, and well, you know what I mean.) The point is that the buy-in for Vintage will be far to high for the reward, so people will play Legacy, or Standard, or anything else instead. In the end, there will be just a few of you, and then you will go the way of Prismatic, or 5Color, or non-proxy Vintage, or 1-1-1 Emperor, or K-scope, or the guys who show up at GenCon every year to play Magic with Alpha cards using the Alpha rulebook. There may well be enough of you to keep the format "alive" - but not necessarily enough to keep Wizards interested in supporting sanctioned tournaments, or keeping up a good B&R list. And I'm sorry about that, but that's just the way it is. And, given the corporate decision on the paper reserve list, likely the way it is going to stay.
Fifth - the B&R update. True, Wizards did not restrict anything besides YawgWin, but I'm not sure it was necessary, yet. Tolarian Academy was broken, even in Standard, but that was a Standard with Mana Vault, which is not online yet. In Vintage, Academy pairs with the SolLoMoxen, which are also absent. At best, we might see High Tide return, but I doubt it is broken. Fish should eat it alive. Having played in Standard during the Urza's epoch, I don't see this as a mistake, but more that Wizards didn't see anything that needed restriction.
Sixth - guys, thanks for the effort you put into this every week.
PRJ
The haters will hate. The rest of us love you. Don't pay the haters the heed they do not deserve. Meanwhile I do not usually enjoy draft related articles that much (Godot being the notable exception) but your articles definitely are hitting a missing niche. Drafting for the non expert is a chance taking mess. Seeing how to plan for the various picks and color selection and how to take advantage of mixed signals etc are all important bits of data.
As far as the anon posters go, sometimes they say some interesting and even positive things but I for one would love to see them go away. Anonymous posting is mostly just laziness anyway. Requiring a log in might cause some problems with spoof posters but mostly I think it will go far towards improving communication on this site.