I have to say I'm disappointed not just by the fact that I can't make the 2hg event, but with these decks I mean surprise yet another mono red burn deck won and imp reanimator?
great stuff, im never going to rush out to play this, but it is good to get some insight to the deck even when youre on the other side of the table, esp after I came so close to 3-1 the other day if it werent for mer... who knew the new guy flies??
True enough, though the 0/1 plant should make up for that slightly to deal with tempo issues though not in the same manner as Llanowar. I think they are two different kinds of strategies. Arbor Elf isn't as synergistic but it can get you blue/red/white or black mana if you untap a dual land forest. It also works nicely with land enchants (which in general I can't stand but some people love. In fact Zendikons and Arbor Elf seem made for each other.) All of this is irrelevant to the comment in the context though. Llanowar is probably better outside of weird rogueness.
Yeah, that's true. I was going to bring up Vampiric Tutor and Oath of Druids, but those were always Classic cards. And now that I think about it, it's not just Jace2:
So Standard right now has "one Force of Will", "one Underground Sea", "three Tarmogoyfs", and a couple other cards which will still pay for your draft despite being out of the top 5. That *is* pretty sick.
Glad you liked it! Yeah it is a bit of a middle ground puzzle. What I'm trying to pull off for future puzzles is increased difficulty without having increased steps involved. It's easy to make a really hard puzzle by having the player need to do a billion things to accomplish it, but to have a puzzle's difficulty rely solely on the fact that many people can't see the answer in front of them, that's a keeper.
I've gotten positive feedback from these puzzles so I'll have more up in the future.
Just wanted to mention. If you want to keep up with how my articles and decks are coming along, be sure to follow me on Twitter @ppdeckbuilder (http://twitter.com/ppdeckbuilder).
I know there's usually a little contention on how to report prices when a new set comes out. We're about to get Urza's Legacy, so here's my request/suggestion on how to handle it:
June 18: UL will be in the system, but pretend it isn't. There will be no volume, all prices are meaningless placeholders, and of course there's no basis for comparison. So pretend it doesn't exist.
June 25: The first time you should report on UL. I like what you did with Rize by showing "top movers" charts that exclude the latest set. But instead of doing a "new set top movers" chart, which doesn't mean anything in the first week of availability, just do a list of "10 most expensive UL cards", or "3 most expensive UL cards of each rarity." Since June 25 will be the first real data point, that's the best way to present useful and accurate information.
I dont know if cards from Invasion are really the best thing to do comparisons with. The majority of the issue people have with Jace is that no other standard card has ever been this expensive, and no standard decks have hit this price point either.
It is surprising that Jace2 is close to FoW. It's definitely because Standard is more popular, whatever the reason. I think it's more often practice for paper, not the "price tolerance" of individual players, but the reason why Standard is more popular doesn't matter. All the really matters is that both chase cards are defined by sets that are rarely opened, and sets with fewer chase cards in them.
So how about the chase rares of yester-year? Meddling Mage? I think that went $40, $45, $45, $60, $80, $78, $80 ... holding steady at $80 ... then $18 $8 $5 $3 before you could say "Tendrils." Who here paid more than $25 for a Pernicious Deed? Or more than a $1 for a Reya Dawnbringer? Let's bring up the chart for Oath of Druids. My point is, no card is invincible, and these cards make horrible investments. Even the Goyf drops into twenties on occasion.
a 4th kozilek would be good also since UW control and jund are still big bringing in a 4th boa or sable stag would be good too forcing jund to have another bolt to deal with stag and boa can regen past a DOJ and with a beastmaster out he can get real ugly fast if they dont hit their PTE.
Hmmm cutting the overruns does sound better than cutting the meance's but what to run as a singleton is the new question...I am certainly not buying a monument...Maybe a kozilek or Ulagmog lol
after a while I cut out Garruk and the Overruns and ran 4 beastmasters and a singleton eldrazi at the time eldrazi was 13 tix now it's 20. I found myself having no creatures out and being stuck with 2 overruns in hand a lot which didn't do me any good at times.
Well thats sounds nice...I would be shocked if it is really that cheap... lol it seems too good for that price
you weren't far off i got $18.96 when i added it up.
Though I would personally not run the Garruk...he for one costs 9 tickets, and I think it would be better to run beastmaster ascension in the deck somewhere. So maybe no garruk and no beastial menace
+3 Ascension?
Luckily, Joshua was kind enough to send mine back after I realized a mistake in mine (Although... He really sent it back for abuse of ellipses... Hm... Where would he get that idea... XD).
After submitting it once more, I realized that I mispelled Bala Ged Thief as Gala Bed Thief. >_< (RAWR! i stealz frum j00r fancee bedroomz while youz dancin!1!1)
My next article will be proofread over and over until I'm positive that there are no glaring mistakes again.
By the way, I'm liking the way these articles are shaping up. Once I stabilize my money issues, I plan to start playing in the two-man queues and eventually break into to true competitive Standard, so it's nice to watch what the meta is doing as I'm preparing myself.
Being married and putting up everyday life expences can put a damper on a Magic budget. it's nice to see when players take a competative deck and turn it into budget. Nice job.
One thing I would of liked to see, and average cost of the deck.
The author's match against me (Shuyin Knight of Zanarkand) was definitely in the tournament practice room. I was trying to test if I could get Basilisk Collar and Sparkmage to work in Jund. It didn't. I think I lost the only 4 matches I played with it and set the deck aside....
I didn't play out the Raging Ravine until I had dropped all other lands - but UW should hold the Seas until he sees a manland / can color screw me. Especially when he has a counter in hand for Blightning.
I have to say I'm disappointed not just by the fact that I can't make the 2hg event, but with these decks I mean surprise yet another mono red burn deck won and imp reanimator?
i guess it depends on how you look at it. Personally I think I would prefer a Llanowr over the token simply because the results of
T1: Forest Llanowar
T2: Forest Leatherback Baloth/Joraga Treespeaker(+1 level)
Seems better. One gives you a turn 2 4/5, the other gives you guaranteed 5 mana on turn 3 a possible 6 with another land drop.
great stuff, im never going to rush out to play this, but it is good to get some insight to the deck even when youre on the other side of the table, esp after I came so close to 3-1 the other day if it werent for mer... who knew the new guy flies??
True enough, though the 0/1 plant should make up for that slightly to deal with tempo issues though not in the same manner as Llanowar. I think they are two different kinds of strategies. Arbor Elf isn't as synergistic but it can get you blue/red/white or black mana if you untap a dual land forest. It also works nicely with land enchants (which in general I can't stand but some people love. In fact Zendikons and Arbor Elf seem made for each other.) All of this is irrelevant to the comment in the context though. Llanowar is probably better outside of weird rogueness.
Pure Top lists for each new set sounds awesome idea.
You can't untap the Khalni Garden with Arbor Elf is what he is referring too.
Awkward how?
Llanowar Elves is definitely better than arbor Elf, still providing G and avoiding awkard situations with Khalni Garden
Yeah, that's true. I was going to bring up Vampiric Tutor and Oath of Druids, but those were always Classic cards. And now that I think about it, it's not just Jace2:
Jace2 - $87
Elspeth - $49.50
Gideon - $37.50
Vengevine - $37.50
BSA - $37.50
Lotus Cobra - $24
Maelstrom Pulse - $17.50
Eldrazi Monmument - $16.50
Time Warp - $13
Abyssal Persecutor - $11
So Standard right now has "one Force of Will", "one Underground Sea", "three Tarmogoyfs", and a couple other cards which will still pay for your draft despite being out of the top 5. That *is* pretty sick.
Glad you liked it! Yeah it is a bit of a middle ground puzzle. What I'm trying to pull off for future puzzles is increased difficulty without having increased steps involved. It's easy to make a really hard puzzle by having the player need to do a billion things to accomplish it, but to have a puzzle's difficulty rely solely on the fact that many people can't see the answer in front of them, that's a keeper.
I've gotten positive feedback from these puzzles so I'll have more up in the future.
Just wanted to mention. If you want to keep up with how my articles and decks are coming along, be sure to follow me on Twitter @ppdeckbuilder (http://twitter.com/ppdeckbuilder).
Hey Hammy, I wanted to make a suggestion:
I know there's usually a little contention on how to report prices when a new set comes out. We're about to get Urza's Legacy, so here's my request/suggestion on how to handle it:
June 18: UL will be in the system, but pretend it isn't. There will be no volume, all prices are meaningless placeholders, and of course there's no basis for comparison. So pretend it doesn't exist.
June 25: The first time you should report on UL. I like what you did with Rize by showing "top movers" charts that exclude the latest set. But instead of doing a "new set top movers" chart, which doesn't mean anything in the first week of availability, just do a list of "10 most expensive UL cards", or "3 most expensive UL cards of each rarity." Since June 25 will be the first real data point, that's the best way to present useful and accurate information.
Just my $0.02. Thanks for all the work.
I dont know if cards from Invasion are really the best thing to do comparisons with. The majority of the issue people have with Jace is that no other standard card has ever been this expensive, and no standard decks have hit this price point either.
About MTGO prices:
It is surprising that Jace2 is close to FoW. It's definitely because Standard is more popular, whatever the reason. I think it's more often practice for paper, not the "price tolerance" of individual players, but the reason why Standard is more popular doesn't matter. All the really matters is that both chase cards are defined by sets that are rarely opened, and sets with fewer chase cards in them.
So how about the chase rares of yester-year? Meddling Mage? I think that went $40, $45, $45, $60, $80, $78, $80 ... holding steady at $80 ... then $18 $8 $5 $3 before you could say "Tendrils." Who here paid more than $25 for a Pernicious Deed? Or more than a $1 for a Reya Dawnbringer? Let's bring up the chart for Oath of Druids. My point is, no card is invincible, and these cards make horrible investments. Even the Goyf drops into twenties on occasion.
thanks for clarification on game states, etc.
a 4th kozilek would be good also since UW control and jund are still big bringing in a 4th boa or sable stag would be good too forcing jund to have another bolt to deal with stag and boa can regen past a DOJ and with a beastmaster out he can get real ugly fast if they dont hit their PTE.
Hmmm cutting the overruns does sound better than cutting the meance's but what to run as a singleton is the new question...I am certainly not buying a monument...Maybe a kozilek or Ulagmog lol
after a while I cut out Garruk and the Overruns and ran 4 beastmasters and a singleton eldrazi at the time eldrazi was 13 tix now it's 20. I found myself having no creatures out and being stuck with 2 overruns in hand a lot which didn't do me any good at times.
Well thats sounds nice...I would be shocked if it is really that cheap... lol it seems too good for that price
you weren't far off i got $18.96 when i added it up.
Though I would personally not run the Garruk...he for one costs 9 tickets, and I think it would be better to run beastmaster ascension in the deck somewhere. So maybe no garruk and no beastial menace
+3 Ascension?
Ditto.
Luckily, Joshua was kind enough to send mine back after I realized a mistake in mine (Although... He really sent it back for abuse of ellipses... Hm... Where would he get that idea... XD).
After submitting it once more, I realized that I mispelled Bala Ged Thief as Gala Bed Thief. >_< (RAWR! i stealz frum j00r fancee bedroomz while youz dancin!1!1)
My next article will be proofread over and over until I'm positive that there are no glaring mistakes again.
By the way, I'm liking the way these articles are shaping up. Once I stabilize my money issues, I plan to start playing in the two-man queues and eventually break into to true competitive Standard, so it's nice to watch what the meta is doing as I'm preparing myself.
If I calculated correctly, the entire deck (SB and all) costs a total of $16.17 at MTGOTraders. Which is definitely affordable by practically anyone.
Will it win packs? That's the question.
Being married and putting up everyday life expences can put a damper on a Magic budget. it's nice to see when players take a competative deck and turn it into budget. Nice job.
One thing I would of liked to see, and average cost of the deck.
Heh I know that complaint well. My advice is spend an extra hour or so going over it again after you proof it. :)
The author's match against me (Shuyin Knight of Zanarkand) was definitely in the tournament practice room. I was trying to test if I could get Basilisk Collar and Sparkmage to work in Jund. It didn't. I think I lost the only 4 matches I played with it and set the deck aside....
I was at 5 life. One Baneslayer hit killed me.
I didn't play out the Raging Ravine until I had dropped all other lands - but UW should hold the Seas until he sees a manland / can color screw me. Especially when he has a counter in hand for Blightning.