I must have more faith in the MODO deck building community than you guys. Because with 15 different sets to work with I think there’s going to more to the new Extended than just the Jund and Fairies everyone’s talking about.
just wait this new format will fail...the first time its starting its going to be nothing but feries, jund, planeswalkers...pretty much the last two really crappy standard seasons. I mean everyone loved Jund and Faeries...
The thing is, people *are* playing Legacy. They're playing Sealed deck and Standard tournaments even when they're not 'forced' to, and they're playing them outside of FNM and other formal support. How about this? According to the DCI's events page, there are 56 Extended tournaments scheduled for the next month in the US. Think about that a moment: 56 tournaments, in a month, in the entire country. There are 211 Legacy tournaments scheduled for that timeframe. *FOUR TIMES* as many events for a format without any substantial PTQ 'practice value' or any FNM-style Wizards support. Nobody is playing Extended outside of PTQs, flat out, and that's the problem Wizards is trying to fix.
People *are* playing all the other formats, and not just because they're 'forced' to (has Wizards sent their team of black-limo thugs out to shanghai you to your local FNM lately? Sheesh!), but because they like to. Even outside of FNM, I can think of a half-dozen places to draft weekly, as many to play Standard, and one or two Legacy tournaments in the area on any given week. I'm only aware of one monthly Extended tournament around here, and I'm not sure it regularly fires officially; I think attendance is seldom over a dozen.
Whatever you think Wizards' other motives may be (and how could this be a cash grab, given that the format still changes less annually than Standard and has less pack-buying pressure than Limited, their two primary formats?), it's unquestionable that current Extended *is* broken from the perspective of creating a viable format that people will want to play, and I laud them for at least trying to fix it.
What they are doing from looking at the sets and new banned cards from TSP is removing combo and a lot of the power cards from extended. The only card they have left to kick out to make EXT ok for the STD players is Tarmogoyf which they have forced to rotate in October.
It's quite clever when you look at it from that point of view, it helps new players drop into Extended from Standard and will be a god send to paper players due to their card prices.
It's all about keeping the new player base happy in paper from what I can see.
It's also going to be an amazing increase in cards for budget players online who play mostly in the classic format.
what was broken about it? people only played it when forced too? Like 98% of the other tournament formats? I mean extended was played during extended season...thats wonderful. How is that any different from legacy only being played and GP's and 5k's? If the format for those had been extended I doubt they would be less profitble. And turbo-nuking 3 blocks in a month some of which would have been legal for 2 more years...yeah think of something worse..
If this was not a blatant cash grab, which it is, unless you course you enjoy the feeling of wizards cock in your ass, then I would not have a problem with it. in the end basically all wizards saw was a lack of money from anything but standard since all the older formats are nearly strictly second market affars. Now they have created a format that rotates a set a year just like standard and provides added incentive to buy even more packs of new sets because hey, some cards might be good in your standard deck and others in your extended deck. Meanwhile, older players, you can all just go play legacy..oh what? you never wanted to play legacy? Well fuck you then..
I haven't logged on MTGO online in a few months, although I read this site at least twice a week. weird. Anyways, this article really motivated me to get back in. I finished a MUC deck from the list here and joined a 2 man. It was a mirror match. I sided in dispels and it won the the counter spell battles. I've been away a while so I decided to sell off my JUND deck before it rotates out. Thanks!
I think the manner it which was done shows some disregard for the casual player population who perhaps doesn't contribute as much directly to WotC's bottom line but who DOES have an impact because without them there would be no secondary market to speak of. Thus no market for draft rejects and thus no reason for people to draft as much as they do. (Though I am sure some casual players do draft/crack packs on their own.) I realize this is a poor reason to consider the feelings of a section of players but I do think this is what is going on here. The people who dislike this change are those who are most invested in the 7 year format (casual players).
Tourney players adjust to whatever format brings the prizes and invest their time/money in whatever it takes to convert to the new format. Usually without much noise I might add. I doubt it is anyone's intention to say the sky is falling (but damned if my ceiling isn't :() but on the other hand I can see why it upsets those who are protesting. Last year's changes were more widely felt because they made everyone rethink their game and their skills but at the same time it was generally the same response. Pretty much by the same people. Tourney players weighed in then because they had something on the line but for the most part it was the casual scene that was more greatly impacted in terms of whether people could adjust or not.
I'd prefer to see a less draconian, more open to discussion policy at WotC because I think that would be more likely to build community which at least in theory is one of their goals. But I understand that ultimately a business can not be run by consensus. On the other hand not every change need be sweeping. The wizards could keep the old format as Old Extended to please their casual contingent and at the same time still affect the game with the new changes to extended. This has been done already with the filters for standard and old standard being available during transition months. I do not think this will happen unless the wheel squeaks to get its grease.
Chicken Little syndrome is natural. Change is scary to some people. But surely you don’t actually think fixing a broken format is “one of the world things Wizards has ever done”?
Well hyperbole aside (All the time?) I don't know if you've seen me complain about my collection lately. I am still in a weird position of having more cards than I need for some decks and not enough for others but I have been working pretty hard to make it what I want it to be. Currently on my 3rd ME dual land for example.
paul's pretty accurate on that one! im a negative nancy, i'm a decent player but i don't "scorn those whose play style differs" from mine. mm i don't think i'm much of a bragger but i'm sure i posted my MOCS results in comments time to time...more so for puremtgo representation.
as for the morning dew....
my gripes with people:
paul: always complains about being too poor to play X or Y and let's everyone know this at all times. from ur picture, looks like ur a grown ass man - so it appears extra pathetic when you can't or won't buy cards that you WANT to play with. other than that i dont really have a problem with what you have to say - in fact, the rest is fine.
shard: has ridiculous, off-the-wall opinions and comments that are completely irrational and not well-thought out. if there is anyone that suffers from logorrhea (sp?) - i.e. diarrhea of the mouth, it would be you. perhaps you could serve this site better but keeping ur mouth closed from time to time. and spoke only when you have something well thought out. i'm glad you run those PREs and so you should stick to those... running PREs doesn't entitle you to speak without thinking sir.
deluxe: i don't really have any gripes with you. u have fun pauper articles. let people rip on you and you take it in stride. cest la vie.
Hey I know who Rainin6 is (kinda). He's a regular poster who almost always has something negative to say to those he dislikes. Also from his posts he is an above average player who scorns those whose play style differs from his own and he seems to like to brag a bit. It is all good. His opinion is like the morning dew, a little wet and yet it will soon evaporate leaving nothing of substance behind.
As for Deluxe, I think he just doesn't know how to take advice and is used to negative attention getting. Sometimes being an asshat is easier than owning up to mistakes and letting things move on.
Yes. Copy the link. Then in the editor of your article highlight the desired word. On the upper right of the editor is an "insert link" button I think its called. Click on the button and copy the url in the space provided. That should do it.
Their timing does seem irresponsible. Many of us have lost a lot of value on our cards overnight and I'm sure there are people out there who don't follow Wizards every announcement and have no idea about this change yet. However, as mentioned above, I believe this points directly to the new format. I'm considering buying some cards on the cheap the next few weeks while people are unloading in order to prepare for their announcement. It would be a nice way to prepare for a format which was previously too expensive to start after not playing Magic for a while.
Whenever Standard rotates out there is a huge drop off in the price of cards because most of them are never powerful enough to make it into Extended decks. While reliving the boring Standard decks of the past isn't optimal, I think that having cards that sustain their value and playability longer will be a welcome change for many of the Standard players.
Does anyone know how to link a website when writing? I'd like to just highlight and/or underline a word so that if you click on it your directed to the new site. Thanks...
dude you are such a douche...im surprised at the level of crap that spews forth from your mouth on a regular basis. Really I mean either get a better attitude or shut the hell up. No one needs you're constantly condescending filth on this site.
I must have more faith in the MODO deck building community than you guys. Because with 15 different sets to work with I think there’s going to more to the new Extended than just the Jund and Fairies everyone’s talking about.
just wait this new format will fail...the first time its starting its going to be nothing but feries, jund, planeswalkers...pretty much the last two really crappy standard seasons. I mean everyone loved Jund and Faeries...
The thing is, people *are* playing Legacy. They're playing Sealed deck and Standard tournaments even when they're not 'forced' to, and they're playing them outside of FNM and other formal support. How about this? According to the DCI's events page, there are 56 Extended tournaments scheduled for the next month in the US. Think about that a moment: 56 tournaments, in a month, in the entire country. There are 211 Legacy tournaments scheduled for that timeframe. *FOUR TIMES* as many events for a format without any substantial PTQ 'practice value' or any FNM-style Wizards support. Nobody is playing Extended outside of PTQs, flat out, and that's the problem Wizards is trying to fix.
People *are* playing all the other formats, and not just because they're 'forced' to (has Wizards sent their team of black-limo thugs out to shanghai you to your local FNM lately? Sheesh!), but because they like to. Even outside of FNM, I can think of a half-dozen places to draft weekly, as many to play Standard, and one or two Legacy tournaments in the area on any given week. I'm only aware of one monthly Extended tournament around here, and I'm not sure it regularly fires officially; I think attendance is seldom over a dozen.
Whatever you think Wizards' other motives may be (and how could this be a cash grab, given that the format still changes less annually than Standard and has less pack-buying pressure than Limited, their two primary formats?), it's unquestionable that current Extended *is* broken from the perspective of creating a viable format that people will want to play, and I laud them for at least trying to fix it.
Be that as it may for yours mine have occured only after I submitted it. I don't edit in anything but notepad++.
What they are doing from looking at the sets and new banned cards from TSP is removing combo and a lot of the power cards from extended. The only card they have left to kick out to make EXT ok for the STD players is Tarmogoyf which they have forced to rotate in October.
It's quite clever when you look at it from that point of view, it helps new players drop into Extended from Standard and will be a god send to paper players due to their card prices.
It's all about keeping the new player base happy in paper from what I can see.
It's also going to be an amazing increase in cards for budget players online who play mostly in the classic format.
It happens when you paste it from other documents. The best way round it is to paste into Notepad first and then copy it into your article.
what was broken about it? people only played it when forced too? Like 98% of the other tournament formats? I mean extended was played during extended season...thats wonderful. How is that any different from legacy only being played and GP's and 5k's? If the format for those had been extended I doubt they would be less profitble. And turbo-nuking 3 blocks in a month some of which would have been legal for 2 more years...yeah think of something worse..
If this was not a blatant cash grab, which it is, unless you course you enjoy the feeling of wizards cock in your ass, then I would not have a problem with it. in the end basically all wizards saw was a lack of money from anything but standard since all the older formats are nearly strictly second market affars. Now they have created a format that rotates a set a year just like standard and provides added incentive to buy even more packs of new sets because hey, some cards might be good in your standard deck and others in your extended deck. Meanwhile, older players, you can all just go play legacy..oh what? you never wanted to play legacy? Well fuck you then..
I haven't logged on MTGO online in a few months, although I read this site at least twice a week. weird. Anyways, this article really motivated me to get back in. I finished a MUC deck from the list here and joined a 2 man. It was a mirror match. I sided in dispels and it won the the counter spell battles. I've been away a while so I decided to sell off my JUND deck before it rotates out. Thanks!
I think the manner it which was done shows some disregard for the casual player population who perhaps doesn't contribute as much directly to WotC's bottom line but who DOES have an impact because without them there would be no secondary market to speak of. Thus no market for draft rejects and thus no reason for people to draft as much as they do. (Though I am sure some casual players do draft/crack packs on their own.) I realize this is a poor reason to consider the feelings of a section of players but I do think this is what is going on here. The people who dislike this change are those who are most invested in the 7 year format (casual players).
Tourney players adjust to whatever format brings the prizes and invest their time/money in whatever it takes to convert to the new format. Usually without much noise I might add. I doubt it is anyone's intention to say the sky is falling (but damned if my ceiling isn't :() but on the other hand I can see why it upsets those who are protesting. Last year's changes were more widely felt because they made everyone rethink their game and their skills but at the same time it was generally the same response. Pretty much by the same people. Tourney players weighed in then because they had something on the line but for the most part it was the casual scene that was more greatly impacted in terms of whether people could adjust or not.
I'd prefer to see a less draconian, more open to discussion policy at WotC because I think that would be more likely to build community which at least in theory is one of their goals. But I understand that ultimately a business can not be run by consensus. On the other hand not every change need be sweeping. The wizards could keep the old format as Old Extended to please their casual contingent and at the same time still affect the game with the new changes to extended. This has been done already with the filters for standard and old standard being available during transition months. I do not think this will happen unless the wheel squeaks to get its grease.
Chicken Little syndrome is natural. Change is scary to some people. But surely you don’t actually think fixing a broken format is “one of the world things Wizards has ever done”?
See here is the crazy part I do think. Just because you dont agree with what i say in no way invalidates it.
Well hyperbole aside (All the time?) I don't know if you've seen me complain about my collection lately. I am still in a weird position of having more cards than I need for some decks and not enough for others but I have been working pretty hard to make it what I want it to be. Currently on my 3rd ME dual land for example.
paul's pretty accurate on that one! im a negative nancy, i'm a decent player but i don't "scorn those whose play style differs" from mine. mm i don't think i'm much of a bragger but i'm sure i posted my MOCS results in comments time to time...more so for puremtgo representation.
as for the morning dew....
my gripes with people:
paul: always complains about being too poor to play X or Y and let's everyone know this at all times. from ur picture, looks like ur a grown ass man - so it appears extra pathetic when you can't or won't buy cards that you WANT to play with. other than that i dont really have a problem with what you have to say - in fact, the rest is fine.
shard: has ridiculous, off-the-wall opinions and comments that are completely irrational and not well-thought out. if there is anyone that suffers from logorrhea (sp?) - i.e. diarrhea of the mouth, it would be you. perhaps you could serve this site better but keeping ur mouth closed from time to time. and spoke only when you have something well thought out. i'm glad you run those PREs and so you should stick to those... running PREs doesn't entitle you to speak without thinking sir.
deluxe: i don't really have any gripes with you. u have fun pauper articles. let people rip on you and you take it in stride. cest la vie.
and that's my morning dew =)
yeah too bad so far its 45-love in my favor for this thread. Im like the Federer of puremtgo...
I just like playing tennis with you and shard :)
Hey I know who Rainin6 is (kinda). He's a regular poster who almost always has something negative to say to those he dislikes. Also from his posts he is an above average player who scorns those whose play style differs from his own and he seems to like to brag a bit. It is all good. His opinion is like the morning dew, a little wet and yet it will soon evaporate leaving nothing of substance behind.
As for Deluxe, I think he just doesn't know how to take advice and is used to negative attention getting. Sometimes being an asshat is easier than owning up to mistakes and letting things move on.
Ah...duh, makes sense now, same way I do photos, thanks Leviathan!
said the random guy...who no one even knows...
probably directed at you, paul, and himself :)
would make this site much better without the triumvirate.
Yes. Copy the link. Then in the editor of your article highlight the desired word. On the upper right of the editor is an "insert link" button I think its called. Click on the button and copy the url in the space provided. That should do it.
Their timing does seem irresponsible. Many of us have lost a lot of value on our cards overnight and I'm sure there are people out there who don't follow Wizards every announcement and have no idea about this change yet. However, as mentioned above, I believe this points directly to the new format. I'm considering buying some cards on the cheap the next few weeks while people are unloading in order to prepare for their announcement. It would be a nice way to prepare for a format which was previously too expensive to start after not playing Magic for a while.
Whenever Standard rotates out there is a huge drop off in the price of cards because most of them are never powerful enough to make it into Extended decks. While reliving the boring Standard decks of the past isn't optimal, I think that having cards that sustain their value and playability longer will be a welcome change for many of the Standard players.
Does anyone know how to link a website when writing? I'd like to just highlight and/or underline a word so that if you click on it your directed to the new site. Thanks...
is that directed at me or paul?
dude you are such a douche...im surprised at the level of crap that spews forth from your mouth on a regular basis. Really I mean either get a better attitude or shut the hell up. No one needs you're constantly condescending filth on this site.
Now I have to scan one somehow just to show I wasn't being clever. :/