I don't think kor santifiers is worth it on the mana base. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing card, but to use it for your purpose doesn't really work. You have a double red a double green and a double white that you want to play in the first 4 turns. Scrapmelter is a lot better for what you are trying to do, because it's a bigger body and easier to cast.
My starting point is to shoot for 40% land in a deck, so 24 lands in a 60 card deck. I believe this is a common rule of thumb. Less lands than that tends to cause mana screw unless the deck has really low casting costs.
They make that website as difficult to navigate as possible on purpose. The entire process is a farce. I love the double submit at the end of it all and on the second page after you've pressed "submit" there's a "your question has not been submitted yet" in smaller text. I wonder how many people think that their question has been submitted when it just really hasn't.
I use this process often as I draft tons and I'm usually in 2-3 tournaments at any given time. One crash could be 3 or more draftsets by the wayside!
maybe that makes sense! But the question is: is it ok to release a product that is so bugged? I have red about a list of known bugs before the release of SOM!
thx for your detailed story. I nerver got any detailed answers like the one you quoted. Maybe it depends although on the person who is handling your case? Maybe some new guys at the service have to work "correct" or they have a contingent for refunds or something like that...
For registering errors: When I looked up a replay of a bugged game the bug wasn't screened there! So the screenshot couldn't show the bug...what can we do then?
I dont often give much praise for other people's draft strategies (as I like my own personal style and think that 99.9% of my picks are right). With That Said, I must say that you ran a very good draft and in most circumstances I would have done everything in a similar fashion (though I took Galvanic Blast over True Conviction earlier today). The early shatter was a mispick, but you know that already. Well done (despite the results) and thanks for posting.
Unfortunately there was an FAQ on the MTGO Group when SOM first released online where it listed Known Issues. One of the known issues listed was the problem with Contagion Engine - namely that it didn't tell you when it was switching from the first instance of proliferate to the second, and it was a little hard to follow. The card works correctly if you understand how to play it, it's just not very clear. Unfortunately since they did explain it in advance of the events, I believe that justifies their decision not to give you compensation.
I never implied I would like to see Moat banned. I just noticed it's a pity it's so expensive. This way it's not so democratic a solution to the Tier1 critters problem, it's still sort of an elite card. But it's still better for goblins & co. to think there are elite decks out there fully capable of trouble them, than not.
Thanks for the Walkthrough. I have never had to do a refund, but this is helpful. Good first article. A few grammer mistakes, but over all pretty good.
I look forward to reading your following chapters. I'm on my second year of MTG and deck building for standard is not coming easy for me, I like reading about your thought process and the things you need to think about.
"It didn’t affect the result of the game, but it was an error that disrupted the game and I submitted it to the customer service....."
Should be really interesting to hear words from Wizards on this one, if such stuff deserves a compensation. I for one have had many enough such scenarios where I didnt file for compensation. And Im also one of those who have had almost exclusively positive experiences with MtgO-customer service. Until yesterday, which I hope is a one time happening:
I SENT MtgOcustomer-service: "Contagion Engine - proliferate resolving messed up. Sometimes the background is white when resolving this, sometimes its black. And instructions are awful. This made me resolve this on MtgO so that some of opponents creatures were not sent to graveyard as they should have been if choosing right permanents to proliferate at the right stages - which is hard - couse its just messed up on mtgo."
I RECEIVED from MtgO - ya know the ones we usually receive ? But no, this time an "entire story" came back:
"Upon reviewing your request for an event reimbursement we have determined that we cannot grant compensation for the event you have indicated. This is due to the fact that the Magic Online servers were not down or experiencing technical difficulties during the event you reported.
To proliferate, choose any number of permanents with one or more counters on them, and choose any number of players with one or more counters. For each permanent chosen this way, choose a counter on that permanent, then put another of those counters on it. For each player chosen this way, choose a counter that player has, then he or she gets another of those counters. You can choose any permanent that has a counter, including ones controlled by opponents. You can't choose cards in any zone other than the battlefield, even if they have counters on them, such as suspended cards or a Lightning Storm on the stack.
It is Magic Online’s policy that we cannot compensate for problems that are out of our direct control. This policy is clearly stated in the Magic Online Terms of Service which can be found at http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?.... We cannot reimburse our customers for errors that occur because of their computers, software on their computers, or Internet connection issues/lag on the part of their Internet or the Internet as a whole.
We understand your connection may have been stable and you were able to connect to websites at the time of your downtime and recommend you read the following simple explanation of how your system connects to our servers. It is possible that your connection or failure to connect is a general internet failure and not the result of either your connection or the Magic Online servers. We closely monitor our servers as well as the lag in Magic Online on a regular basis and our staff is aware of any problems with events and/or server stability.
If you experience or have experienced lag or disconnection using our product, please check http://www.internettrafficreport.com/details.htm for the status of many of these global Internet routers. We encourage you to check this site if you're having connection issues that are unannounced so that you can better understand why you may be having connection difficulties.
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Internet-connection - where does that come from in this case ?
An other thing Im just mentioning about bugs in general: How many users out there are not even in the position of registrating such errors, even in the situation where they cant make smth work and they still dont get it. Do they file compensation ? no...
Don't watch either of the Dune movies. The original was crappy, and the Syfy one was longer, but doesn't really hold up well.
I enjoyed this article. You had a pretty understanding girlfriend if she let you make out with a foreign exchange student in front of her and she stayed with you. And you rocked the IROC, very nice.
Great deck, solid draft - just some comments from a guy who's drafted a bunch of infect recently:
Pinions is strictly OK in the best infect decks - the tempo disadvantage can be terrible, because at heart infect is a tempo deck (essentially, aggro where all your creatures have double strike). I can't see any way in which I'd pick it over Might or Cystbearer - for your deck, I think Might was just better. The problem with Pinions is that by the time you can start sending one guy at a time over the top, decks often have a way to deal with either the creature or the equipment, and it turns on all of the opponent's artifact removal (and there's a ton).
Also, P2P1, I'd probably take Grasp (my first removal at that point) over Trigon, even with 2 Stingers - you couldn't know you'd pick up 2 more stingers, and removal is so important to infect. I can't fault the pick, but I'd be worried ... there aren't many gifts like the Grasps you got out there, haha.
I feel like I'd take Painsmith every time (even forcing infect) over the Goblin P1P2 - Blackcleave just kind of sucks, and nobody on Earth would consider a pick-3 Goblin a signal to go infect, while Painsmith is incredible with Stingers and when the board clogs, letting you trade your crappy Gray Ogres for bigger/better men.
Also, you picked up a bunch of Tainted Strikes and played one - try to prioritize Molder Beasts higher if Strikes are wheeling, as Beast gets ridiculous with Strike. Plus, you really didn't have anything to Strike up - if you attack with Replica, for instance, they're going to block if Strike matters, because you've telegraphed it.
Finally, Throne of Geth is rough in a deck with 6 artifacts - I'd probably rather take Nim there (because I wouldn't have Pinions, and Vector Asp isn't a very good man). The Throne can be excellent, but in your deck at that point, I think I'd rather try for a critical mass of infect dudes and not worry about "reach" when I'm not sure I'll have enough artifacts to give more than one counter. If you had a Clasp or something too, then the calculus changes entirely.
On the whole though, good draft man - hope my ideas make some sense, I think there's still a lot to figure out in infect. Thanks for posting! 2H
Moat is a card that is situationally very good or very bad. It is also not that big of a deal if players are prepared for it. There are many other cards like that.
Goblin Sharpshooter is unfair against many weenie tribes but not that useful against big tribes like Angels or Dragons. The same is true of Engineered Plague
Relic of Progenitus is a beast against tribes that use reanimation strategies but it's simply "meh" against most tribes.
Kor Firewalker is great against red decks and "meh" against the rest of the field.
All of these types of cards have answers in classic tribal. All of these cards are not always amazing. Therefore there is no reason to ban them.
I've resolved moat against non-flying tribes and lost. It isn't a guarantor of succcess. It does help slow down egregious rush decks by requiring them to solve it.
anyone who has spent any extended time playing Tribal knows that you rarely run a deck that doesnt have some form of artifact/enchant hate because moat aside there are a number of other troublesome artifacts and enchants, i see no need for banning of moat and not sure why its brought up when none of the winning decks were even running it
im of course happy to see angels winning again though upset that I wasn't the man behind the deck lol
im very impressed with the theme decks this week from AJs attempt to the wurms to the artifact dragons which I have built similar to that, very cool
I don't think kor santifiers is worth it on the mana base. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing card, but to use it for your purpose doesn't really work. You have a double red a double green and a double white that you want to play in the first 4 turns. Scrapmelter is a lot better for what you are trying to do, because it's a bigger body and easier to cast.
My starting point is to shoot for 40% land in a deck, so 24 lands in a 60 card deck. I believe this is a common rule of thumb. Less lands than that tends to cause mana screw unless the deck has really low casting costs.
They make that website as difficult to navigate as possible on purpose. The entire process is a farce. I love the double submit at the end of it all and on the second page after you've pressed "submit" there's a "your question has not been submitted yet" in smaller text. I wonder how many people think that their question has been submitted when it just really hasn't.
I use this process often as I draft tons and I'm usually in 2-3 tournaments at any given time. One crash could be 3 or more draftsets by the wayside!
Hello OKCoyote,
maybe that makes sense! But the question is: is it ok to release a product that is so bugged? I have red about a list of known bugs before the release of SOM!
Thx for the information!
I kinda love Defense of the Heart.
Hello guys,
i expected some grammar mistakes because I'm not a native speaker, sorry for that.
Hello Haarek,
thx for your detailed story. I nerver got any detailed answers like the one you quoted. Maybe it depends although on the person who is handling your case? Maybe some new guys at the service have to work "correct" or they have a contingent for refunds or something like that...
For registering errors: When I looked up a replay of a bugged game the bug wasn't screened there! So the screenshot couldn't show the bug...what can we do then?
Pretty subpar draft article. Hardly any substance at all. One screenshot. "I forced Infect. I went 1-0, drop. Thanks for reading."
Grammar mistakes! ^
My issue here is that there is NO WAY this is an 8-4 . . . to me it looks like a swiss queue. Tabling Cystbearers and Ichor Rats? Ridiculous!
I dont often give much praise for other people's draft strategies (as I like my own personal style and think that 99.9% of my picks are right). With That Said, I must say that you ran a very good draft and in most circumstances I would have done everything in a similar fashion (though I took Galvanic Blast over True Conviction earlier today). The early shatter was a mispick, but you know that already. Well done (despite the results) and thanks for posting.
Unfortunately there was an FAQ on the MTGO Group when SOM first released online where it listed Known Issues. One of the known issues listed was the problem with Contagion Engine - namely that it didn't tell you when it was switching from the first instance of proliferate to the second, and it was a little hard to follow. The card works correctly if you understand how to play it, it's just not very clear. Unfortunately since they did explain it in advance of the events, I believe that justifies their decision not to give you compensation.
I never implied I would like to see Moat banned. I just noticed it's a pity it's so expensive. This way it's not so democratic a solution to the Tier1 critters problem, it's still sort of an elite card. But it's still better for goblins & co. to think there are elite decks out there fully capable of trouble them, than not.
Thanks for the Walkthrough. I have never had to do a refund, but this is helpful. Good first article. A few grammer mistakes, but over all pretty good.
I understand where your comming from. just thought it would of been a great card strategy wise.
I look forward to reading your following chapters. I'm on my second year of MTG and deck building for standard is not coming easy for me, I like reading about your thought process and the things you need to think about.
thanks...I will definitely try it out
"It didn’t affect the result of the game, but it was an error that disrupted the game and I submitted it to the customer service....."
Should be really interesting to hear words from Wizards on this one, if such stuff deserves a compensation. I for one have had many enough such scenarios where I didnt file for compensation. And Im also one of those who have had almost exclusively positive experiences with MtgO-customer service. Until yesterday, which I hope is a one time happening:
I SENT MtgOcustomer-service: "Contagion Engine - proliferate resolving messed up. Sometimes the background is white when resolving this, sometimes its black. And instructions are awful. This made me resolve this on MtgO so that some of opponents creatures were not sent to graveyard as they should have been if choosing right permanents to proliferate at the right stages - which is hard - couse its just messed up on mtgo."
I RECEIVED from MtgO - ya know the ones we usually receive ? But no, this time an "entire story" came back:
"Upon reviewing your request for an event reimbursement we have determined that we cannot grant compensation for the event you have indicated. This is due to the fact that the Magic Online servers were not down or experiencing technical difficulties during the event you reported.
To proliferate, choose any number of permanents with one or more counters on them, and choose any number of players with one or more counters. For each permanent chosen this way, choose a counter on that permanent, then put another of those counters on it. For each player chosen this way, choose a counter that player has, then he or she gets another of those counters. You can choose any permanent that has a counter, including ones controlled by opponents. You can't choose cards in any zone other than the battlefield, even if they have counters on them, such as suspended cards or a Lightning Storm on the stack.
It is Magic Online’s policy that we cannot compensate for problems that are out of our direct control. This policy is clearly stated in the Magic Online Terms of Service which can be found at http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?.... We cannot reimburse our customers for errors that occur because of their computers, software on their computers, or Internet connection issues/lag on the part of their Internet or the Internet as a whole.
We understand your connection may have been stable and you were able to connect to websites at the time of your downtime and recommend you read the following simple explanation of how your system connects to our servers. It is possible that your connection or failure to connect is a general internet failure and not the result of either your connection or the Magic Online servers. We closely monitor our servers as well as the lag in Magic Online on a regular basis and our staff is aware of any problems with events and/or server stability.
If you experience or have experienced lag or disconnection using our product, please check http://www.internettrafficreport.com/details.htm for the status of many of these global Internet routers. We encourage you to check this site if you're having connection issues that are unannounced so that you can better understand why you may be having connection difficulties.
If all the information you have provided in your request is correct as it stands then this decision is final concerning your compensation. If you have additional information to provide or want to make a time correction please, reply to this mail and we will review it again.
We would appreciate your feedback on the service we are providing you. Please click here to fill out a short questionnaire.
To login to your account, or update your question please click here.
xxxxx
Online Response Crew
Wizards of the Coast"
Internet-connection - where does that come from in this case ?
An other thing Im just mentioning about bugs in general: How many users out there are not even in the position of registrating such errors, even in the situation where they cant make smth work and they still dont get it. Do they file compensation ? no...
Hey, forgot to mention that if you press "Print Screen" and then paste into Paint, you can get a screenshot.
Don't watch either of the Dune movies. The original was crappy, and the Syfy one was longer, but doesn't really hold up well.
I enjoyed this article. You had a pretty understanding girlfriend if she let you make out with a foreign exchange student in front of her and she stayed with you. And you rocked the IROC, very nice.
Great deck, solid draft - just some comments from a guy who's drafted a bunch of infect recently:
Pinions is strictly OK in the best infect decks - the tempo disadvantage can be terrible, because at heart infect is a tempo deck (essentially, aggro where all your creatures have double strike). I can't see any way in which I'd pick it over Might or Cystbearer - for your deck, I think Might was just better. The problem with Pinions is that by the time you can start sending one guy at a time over the top, decks often have a way to deal with either the creature or the equipment, and it turns on all of the opponent's artifact removal (and there's a ton).
Also, P2P1, I'd probably take Grasp (my first removal at that point) over Trigon, even with 2 Stingers - you couldn't know you'd pick up 2 more stingers, and removal is so important to infect. I can't fault the pick, but I'd be worried ... there aren't many gifts like the Grasps you got out there, haha.
I feel like I'd take Painsmith every time (even forcing infect) over the Goblin P1P2 - Blackcleave just kind of sucks, and nobody on Earth would consider a pick-3 Goblin a signal to go infect, while Painsmith is incredible with Stingers and when the board clogs, letting you trade your crappy Gray Ogres for bigger/better men.
Also, you picked up a bunch of Tainted Strikes and played one - try to prioritize Molder Beasts higher if Strikes are wheeling, as Beast gets ridiculous with Strike. Plus, you really didn't have anything to Strike up - if you attack with Replica, for instance, they're going to block if Strike matters, because you've telegraphed it.
Finally, Throne of Geth is rough in a deck with 6 artifacts - I'd probably rather take Nim there (because I wouldn't have Pinions, and Vector Asp isn't a very good man). The Throne can be excellent, but in your deck at that point, I think I'd rather try for a critical mass of infect dudes and not worry about "reach" when I'm not sure I'll have enough artifacts to give more than one counter. If you had a Clasp or something too, then the calculus changes entirely.
On the whole though, good draft man - hope my ideas make some sense, I think there's still a lot to figure out in infect. Thanks for posting! 2H
Moat is a card that is situationally very good or very bad. It is also not that big of a deal if players are prepared for it. There are many other cards like that.
Goblin Sharpshooter is unfair against many weenie tribes but not that useful against big tribes like Angels or Dragons. The same is true of Engineered Plague
Relic of Progenitus is a beast against tribes that use reanimation strategies but it's simply "meh" against most tribes.
Kor Firewalker is great against red decks and "meh" against the rest of the field.
All of these types of cards have answers in classic tribal. All of these cards are not always amazing. Therefore there is no reason to ban them.
I've resolved moat against non-flying tribes and lost. It isn't a guarantor of succcess. It does help slow down egregious rush decks by requiring them to solve it.
anyone who has spent any extended time playing Tribal knows that you rarely run a deck that doesnt have some form of artifact/enchant hate because moat aside there are a number of other troublesome artifacts and enchants, i see no need for banning of moat and not sure why its brought up when none of the winning decks were even running it
im of course happy to see angels winning again though upset that I wasn't the man behind the deck lol
im very impressed with the theme decks this week from AJs attempt to the wurms to the artifact dragons which I have built similar to that, very cool
Most definitely. I just may avoid the prerelease events. I hate setting aside time and not being able to play