There are 40 qualifying tribes, and a solid amount of variation within each. You have the full gamut from elves and goblins to angels and demons, obscure tribes, classes, you name it. Kaleidoscope Tribal Apocalypse is worth doing, and will have sufficient deck variation to be interesting.
which is in fact a shame, when Glittering Wish came out I was building crappy casual decks just to use it that would have been kaleidoscope if the card pool was extended to classic... which I wish it was... I think doing kaleidoscope tribal would be very limited though now I'm inclinded to see
Kaleidoscope is a new Magic Online-only Constructed format. It uses the Extended card pool with the exception that all nonland cards in a Kaleidoscope deck must be multicolored. This includes gold cards, hybrid cards, and most split cards.
Can anyone confirm this is the kaliedoscope being pitched?
great stuff glad to see you back, esp with the RoE break down
"Auratog + Rancor + Kor Spiritdancer sounds fun."
^when I saw Spiritdancer I knew there had to be some way to break that with Rancor, can't believe I didn't think of Auratog lol
yea i was going to mention people often overlook Kamigawa as a tribal block, i acctually talk about it in my next tribal article
my vote singleton tho id be down for 2hg too lol
i was glad to see only like 2 rat decks show up, tho i felt bad for dropping i was having a really crappy morning and unfortunately it was affecting my play an i was gettin frustrated
Indeed Goblin Tunneler is a beat stick as I discovered in the beta. Particularly when you have the guy that pumps a guy at the start of combat. (You use tunneler first or wait for the trigger on the stack then use it.
The problem with Block Wars is Kamigawa. Spirits and Snakes. I'll throw my hat in the ring for Kaleidoscope Tribal, as at one point I was writing for both formats.
I'm going to have to go out and buy some Licids and Cytoshape and build myself a copy. Lucky I have a binder full of nothing but Polar Krakens so I can just pull out a few of those.
But the deck shouldn't work as it does. One of the state-based actions in the CompRules says that "If a creature is attached to an object or player, it becomes unattached and remains on the battlefield." (704.5q). So it's not "a bizarre rules instance" but rather a bug in MtGO...
Also has tricks with Flickerwisp as well, he is not sold on Wingshards yet mostly from not testing them. They seem good and and should warrant 2 slots, day 1 gp Madrid had Zoo use them to bring in vs NO/Pro Bant. I see tehm as good against Zoo,Gobs,Merf,Reanimator,Mirror and anything with DuDers that doesnt have Sifle.
The green splash he played in the Classic events was suggested by me and Rukcus helped out on the card selection. Mainly to Battle Oath it also increased the Pox mu as a result and Teeg helped a slight bit vs Tendril and Ichorid.
I still advocate that over the mono white version even in legacy as Goyf Trumps mirror and increases your Zoo(less than 50/50) MU and that is w/o Pridemage. There is currently a Living Wish splash being used and that is something i find very solid in the deck, in fact i think it is stronger than the E. Tutor SB silverbullet package being played if only for finding relevant cards like duders/wastes/karakas/Bog etc directly into hand while also being a color Iona will not name.
I just wanted to ask what he thought of Tivader of Thorn in the goblin matchup? Is it to slow? Seems like if anything can happen to slow down game, can destroy an army with Karakas and Vial backing it up.
I'm going to choose vanguard as that should be very different, it would be interesting to do a two headed giant at some point if we have enough players.
Good article, is at a very important time for anyone preparing for MOCS, and not knowing to much about the format. Eldrazi are a little overemphasised in limited. Evasion is one of the most important in this format, sucks to get continually chumped by spawn tokens.
Knights replaced the 3 safehold elite, and one plains.
Icatians are always valid...just depends. I'm not running WW for the next few weeks, tried straight burn last week, got 25th out of 80 - ran into 2 decks with lifegain main (and not riftwatchers!) talk about horrible luck!
The player "someoldguy" has a toolbox/transmute build of B/U/W control which absolutely destroys WW. I rebuilt the deck JUST TO BEAT IT and couldn't! So I had to go faster with burn, faced him first round last week and won 2-0 :)
This week I plan to play either goblins, burn or U/W Blink
as far as other places, if MGTO traders doesn't have it, try Botkingdom (Online classified rooms) or just search for "Pauper Bot" Good luck!
I don't see how MaRo's statement about Mythics has become a lie. Maro's statement is:
"They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards."
The author of this article says in response:
"With Rise of the Eldrazi, this has become a lie. On the secondary paper market, nine of the ten hottest hottest tournament cards of RoE are mythic rares."
I really disagree. The monetary value that a card commands does not directly correspond to its power as a tournament level card. I (and I'm sure many others) would rate Wall of Omens as the most powerful tournament-level card of RoE, yet it is $1-$2. Why? Because it's an uncommon. Are Gideon and Vengevine tournament level cards? Yes. However, Awakening Zone, Consuming Vapors, Momentous Fall, Student of Warfare are all tournament level cards as well.
My point is MaRo's statement still holds true. He never said that there wouldn't be *any* good tournament Mythics. Simply that the Mythic list would not equal the tournament cards list from any given set. That has not changed with RoE. Most of the Mythics are honestly dreg, with Gideon and Vengevine being the only clear-cut tournament cards. (Possibly Sarkhan too, but that's a discussion for another time).
MaRo also never said that the Mythics wouldn't be the most expensive cards. Really, as soon as Mythics were announced everyone that believes in supply & demand should have known that they would be the most expensive cards out there. The supply portion of that formula is so low that even the smallest amount of demand will create an expensive card.
Not that limited: As you might expect, I wrote about the crossover format. http://puremtgo.com/articles/art-tribal-wars-twisting-kaleidoscope
There are 40 qualifying tribes, and a solid amount of variation within each. You have the full gamut from elves and goblins to angels and demons, obscure tribes, classes, you name it. Kaleidoscope Tribal Apocalypse is worth doing, and will have sufficient deck variation to be interesting.
which is in fact a shame, when Glittering Wish came out I was building crappy casual decks just to use it that would have been kaleidoscope if the card pool was extended to classic... which I wish it was... I think doing kaleidoscope tribal would be very limited though now I'm inclinded to see
i kno right, sometimes its annoying you cant add the sarcastic shock in your voice to txt replies
I *don't* think these game reports are to be taken for real..... ;D
See "Shichifukujin Dragon". (In match #6, game two) Great.
Yes, that's the in-client Kaleidoscope format. I was writing about it even before it started (http://puremtgo.com/articles/kaleidoscope-awakens ) and went on about it at some length. (http://puremtgo.com/articles/recent?uid=&title=the+kaleidoscope&field_su... )
It has a short banned list, namely Glittering Wish and Anathemancer.
priceless.... simply priceless
and mirror match? lol someone else was doing the same thing???
I had to look up kaliedoscope and here is what I found from http://casualmagic.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/kaleidoscope-new-mtgo-format/:
Kaleidoscope is a new Magic Online-only Constructed format. It uses the Extended card pool with the exception that all nonland cards in a Kaleidoscope deck must be multicolored. This includes gold cards, hybrid cards, and most split cards.
Can anyone confirm this is the kaliedoscope being pitched?
great stuff glad to see you back, esp with the RoE break down
"Auratog + Rancor + Kor Spiritdancer sounds fun."
^when I saw Spiritdancer I knew there had to be some way to break that with Rancor, can't believe I didn't think of Auratog lol
yea i was going to mention people often overlook Kamigawa as a tribal block, i acctually talk about it in my next tribal article
my vote singleton tho id be down for 2hg too lol
i was glad to see only like 2 rat decks show up, tho i felt bad for dropping i was having a really crappy morning and unfortunately it was affecting my play an i was gettin frustrated
Ahhh I had a suspicion this was the case. Thanks for clarifying.
Well, it still works on mtgo, and that's all that matters! Kind of.
Indeed Goblin Tunneler is a beat stick as I discovered in the beta. Particularly when you have the guy that pumps a guy at the start of combat. (You use tunneler first or wait for the trigger on the stack then use it.
I vote for Kaleidoscope too though I wonder if Anathemancer should be banned or not.
Vanguard seems broken from what I can tell.
Sheer conceptual awesome. GG, Cotton Rhetoric, GG. :D
The problem with Block Wars is Kamigawa. Spirits and Snakes. I'll throw my hat in the ring for Kaleidoscope Tribal, as at one point I was writing for both formats.
Best. Deck. Ever.
I'm going to have to go out and buy some Licids and Cytoshape and build myself a copy. Lucky I have a binder full of nothing but Polar Krakens so I can just pull out a few of those.
Great article, had a good laugh.
But the deck shouldn't work as it does. One of the state-based actions in the CompRules says that "If a creature is attached to an object or player, it becomes unattached and remains on the battlefield." (704.5q). So it's not "a bizarre rules instance" but rather a bug in MtGO...
Also has tricks with Flickerwisp as well, he is not sold on Wingshards yet mostly from not testing them. They seem good and and should warrant 2 slots, day 1 gp Madrid had Zoo use them to bring in vs NO/Pro Bant. I see tehm as good against Zoo,Gobs,Merf,Reanimator,Mirror and anything with DuDers that doesnt have Sifle.
The green splash he played in the Classic events was suggested by me and Rukcus helped out on the card selection. Mainly to Battle Oath it also increased the Pox mu as a result and Teeg helped a slight bit vs Tendril and Ichorid.
I still advocate that over the mono white version even in legacy as Goyf Trumps mirror and increases your Zoo(less than 50/50) MU and that is w/o Pridemage. There is currently a Living Wish splash being used and that is something i find very solid in the deck, in fact i think it is stronger than the E. Tutor SB silverbullet package being played if only for finding relevant cards like duders/wastes/karakas/Bog etc directly into hand while also being a color Iona will not name.
I just wanted to ask what he thought of Tivader of Thorn in the goblin matchup? Is it to slow? Seems like if anything can happen to slow down game, can destroy an army with Karakas and Vial backing it up.
I'm going to choose vanguard as that should be very different, it would be interesting to do a two headed giant at some point if we have enough players.
Good article, is at a very important time for anyone preparing for MOCS, and not knowing to much about the format. Eldrazi are a little overemphasised in limited. Evasion is one of the most important in this format, sucks to get continually chumped by spawn tokens.
Knights replaced the 3 safehold elite, and one plains.
Icatians are always valid...just depends. I'm not running WW for the next few weeks, tried straight burn last week, got 25th out of 80 - ran into 2 decks with lifegain main (and not riftwatchers!) talk about horrible luck!
The player "someoldguy" has a toolbox/transmute build of B/U/W control which absolutely destroys WW. I rebuilt the deck JUST TO BEAT IT and couldn't! So I had to go faster with burn, faced him first round last week and won 2-0 :)
This week I plan to play either goblins, burn or U/W Blink
as far as other places, if MGTO traders doesn't have it, try Botkingdom (Online classified rooms) or just search for "Pauper Bot" Good luck!
hmmm you know if petra sphinx wasnt triple white, she would be pretty fun with sphinx of jwar isle...draw a card every turn...
I don't see how MaRo's statement about Mythics has become a lie. Maro's statement is:
"They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards."
The author of this article says in response:
"With Rise of the Eldrazi, this has become a lie. On the secondary paper market, nine of the ten hottest hottest tournament cards of RoE are mythic rares."
I really disagree. The monetary value that a card commands does not directly correspond to its power as a tournament level card. I (and I'm sure many others) would rate Wall of Omens as the most powerful tournament-level card of RoE, yet it is $1-$2. Why? Because it's an uncommon. Are Gideon and Vengevine tournament level cards? Yes. However, Awakening Zone, Consuming Vapors, Momentous Fall, Student of Warfare are all tournament level cards as well.
My point is MaRo's statement still holds true. He never said that there wouldn't be *any* good tournament Mythics. Simply that the Mythic list would not equal the tournament cards list from any given set. That has not changed with RoE. Most of the Mythics are honestly dreg, with Gideon and Vengevine being the only clear-cut tournament cards. (Possibly Sarkhan too, but that's a discussion for another time).
MaRo also never said that the Mythics wouldn't be the most expensive cards. Really, as soon as Mythics were announced everyone that believes in supply & demand should have known that they would be the most expensive cards out there. The supply portion of that formula is so low that even the smallest amount of demand will create an expensive card.
Anyways, I enjoyed the rest of the article.
Turn 1: Training Grounds
Turn 2: Izzet Guildmage
Turn 3: Manamorphose
from there u can do crazy crazy things