Unless they're a good Leech player and don't pump it into untapped Red.
I am not saying Flame Slash is the greatest card ever, just saying that it shouldn't be discounted.
Sure. I guess. Fun is pretty subjective. it's not as well-rounded as current sets, if that's what you mean.
"So people are supposed to raredraft and...what drop?"
Buh? People can do whatever they want to do. Did anyone suggest otherwise?
"That's even worse than Not playing at all unless you happen to be a really lucky pack buster..."
That seems pretty obvious. Not really sure it was worth stating that opening packs and dropping is "worse" than opening packs and then playing.
"... and then why not just bust packs?"
Um, because you can't get packs of MED123 at the WoTC store and people sell them (MED and MED2, anyway) for $9 - see MTGOtraders to see what I mean. 15 tix for all 3 packs is a steal by comparison.
Isn't ME drafting really horrible and unfun? So people are supposed to raredraft and...what drop? That's even worse than Not playing at all unless you happen to be a really lucky pack buster and then why not just bust packs?
Can't. I don't have $1200 to spend. I can't spend a dime of real money on magic. So no not even $300. Not $30. Can't is correct. Won't is only partially correct in that if I could I probably would not. At least not any time soon. (I'd probably do what most people do, Buy in as low as possible and wait for cards to rise in value then resell and by staples.)
Also I have missed many windows when cards were cheaper because I wasn't able to get online or couldn't even get into my account at one point.
LOurs, As always our conversations are both funny and frustrating all at once. The incident I used as an example was not as you described it at all (Mirror Match up, inferior build). It was two different decks and he got the jump in games 2 and 3 while I didn't. It was obviously (and usually this IS the case) a combination of all three. Just Sin and I are probably equal skill in general (We are both old school veterans of both limited and constructed formats.) I tend to be a lot less spiky which could be a bit of a difference.
He was playing a version of the deck I played previously and had upgraded it with money cards. Obviously an aggro control (UGr Snakes) that gets the aggro draw is going to do better than a control deck like the one I was playing (Noxious Bidding) that gets the bass-ackwards draw. Not saying Just Sin's deck wouldn't have won anyway but it was so clearly not an even match up for those games. In the second game I did get to kill off his weenie snakes but it was really too late for by then. Neither game did I get the draw I got the first game that was canceled for some reason. What irked me was the game that was canceled he double mulled to my god hand. To give Just credit he offered to drop the 2nd game to give us 1-1 so that we could decide the match in a 3rd game but I declined. Just is a good guy/sport and I was unhappy but not with him.
My experience with this format and this event is hot/cold. Sometimes I get the meta right (remember no sideboards) sometimes not. Ive had times when I couldn't lose for my life and others where I just draw land after land or just not quite the right mana or whatever and it doesn't come together. Very rarely are the matches close. In fact the last time I had a really satisfying close match in this format (in tourney) was playing a White Black version of the same deck running wraths and plows instead of land fetch and theft. (UB bidding runs 8 cycler guys 4 exhumes 3 biddings 3 noxious ghouls some lords etc)
I don't think I got it wrong this time but I do think I was not really up for it and should have just not registered. The fact that I wasn't feeling great and the canceled game and Justs great starts really put me on tilt (afterwards) and I was not a very good sport. But it got me to thinking. If I owned the same kinds of cards and played with those I would have had the same chances to draw into the best hands that Just got from running his duals and fetches.
My reason for bringing all this up wasn't to point out how terribly unfortunate I was etc but to show how frustrating the disparity of card values can be. Particularly when the tribes being run are about on par for cheese value. Just did something interesting. He took my 3 color Snake deck (UGr) and added some very different cards. He had the good expensive snake (Orhan Vipers I think) and also Patagia Viper(?) so it wasn't the same deck I'd run the week before but it.
Of course some of your comments are only meant as logical suggestions but your scenario shows a lack of comprehension for the situation. Yes ALL eternal formats are unfair. If you don't own the money cards you will be disadvantaged. No arguments no way to refute that. No it doesn't you just don't play any of those formats. For one thing I really enjoy the process of making decks for fringe formats (I just deleted 200+ decks off my pc recently.) Not a day goes by that I don't try to make something new (for me). And the be all and end all isn't winning despite the fact that I hate losing. It is to enjoy the game and may be to learn something about it and the players and the cards.
I still feel it would be impossible for me to break in to legacy/classic tourney based on my current wealth/collection. Nevermind that my collection has 11500+ cards. Most of those are common. (I could probably make a stab at competitive pauper but that format seems highly solved already and crypt rats are a key card to own which I do not.
This response took WAY longer than I intended as a zillion things interrupted it and I kept typing more and more. Pardon the extreme length.
Wait until Putrid Leech activates it's one-per-turn ability, then Skred it in response. Dead Leech on turn 2. Skred can't kill a turn1 Mogg Conscripts, but that's about it.
Paul, I understand your angst about the price of tournament lvl cards, but really? This is not a matter of cant, its a matter of wont.
If you really, truely wanted fow or dual lands, you would make it work. The fact that you feel like you cant is more a lack of a reason to. You dont want to spend $1,200.00 on a deck? Thats fine, why would you? You arnt a sanction competitve player, ie you never seem interested in constructed events outside of pre's.
Sure it sucks that you cant make your tribal decks better but you have been around a long time, and had ample oppurtunity to acquire these cards when they were cheaper. I finished my pset of 40 duals for about 500 tix/dollars. That may seem like a lot but i did it over 2 different 3 month time spans in the course of a year.
Yes now they cost like over 1 grand but the option to get them "cheaply" was there. The option to get them is still there, but there is a huge dis-incentive for non tourny players to get them that they have an awful stigma to them.
I understand pric range is a concern for people but comone. look at this deck from std that won the 5k on sat.
3x jace the mind sculptor 60
3x elspeth 30
3x ajani vengent 20
3x gideon jura 50
15x 5ish dollar rare
10x 3ish dollar rare/uncommon
this deck costs well over 600 bucks to complete, thats a lot of loot and ill bet this is just as "unattainable" for you as a legacy deck is. but is it overpriced? No people are willing to pay to compete, ill bet some casual players even buy these for there purposes.
So is legacy overpriced? sure a little bit. But who said you have to drop 5 grand to have a complete card pool? if people are willing to pay over 600 bucks for a std deck, then there is no reason they should be unwilling to pay 800-1000 for a teir 1 legacy deck, that will at this rate make a return on sale of the deck.
The EV of MED123 is somewhere between 7-9 tix (depending on what values you use)- which is pretty good but not really close to the point where you can break even by raredrafting alone.
The other problem with that plan is that the "FoW lottery" will probably get played enough to take a chunk of the value out of the lesser rares.
I'll echo what Paul said, this article is superb and a great improvement. I also would never have thought to have used Nameless Inversion so creatively. Very well done!
I FORGOT TO MENTION! Illpalazzo was the one who recommended I initially run Trinket Mage instead of Borderland Ranger, since he has the same role but could also fetch Relic, which is pretty smart I'd say. Also, him and bigmb have been representing the deck in TPDCs with strong results, so kudos to them. I accidentally cut this out when I was re-arranging some paragraphs. They call the deck Lower Level Blue, which I think is a fine name for it.
The queue results are bit misleading. I get the strangest luck when I play with money on the line it seems. I played MUC in the last PE and won against Slivers, the deck's hardest matchup, only to lose to WW, it's easiest one. But people emphasize queues for good reason, so in those went.
Reality Acid is always fun but a little clunky. UW is the best fit for it, since you can run Dream Stalker, Kor Skyfisher, and Momentary Blink for tons of bounce potential.
Wormfang Drake is definitely a stronger creature than Dream Stalker, but my main beef is that you don't get the creature back until the drake dies. Since the Stalker is so inexpensive I can usuallly bounce the Derm, then replay him in the same turn. Or you can bounce a ninja, attack with mulldrifter, ninjitsu. Also the Stalker can bounce Serrated Arrows for three new counters, while the Drake cannot.
And ya, old Derm art > new art. There's something I like about the colors of the new art, but the beastie itself looks lame.
Personally the price of Force of Will will never affect me, because just like dave said its not my style. Sadly with FoW it's a barrier to some for entry(i.e., the people that believe it is necessary to comepte in legacy) If I ever got into legacy it would certainly be with one of the cheaper 100-300 decks. However if Force of Will gets re-released we would undoubtedly see a huge shift throughout the legacy market. As soon as FoW lowered into more players 'reasonable cost range' will guess what? Then they can buy the FoW and afford legacy. But they need for than just Force of Will to play so now with more people getting into the game they will be buying more copies of other cards...LED, Tarmogoyf, Duals, as soon as the new players that joined because of FoW being re-released start buying up all the additional cards for there decks then there will simply be price spikes on other cards. So The format as whole will still continue to increase in entry cost.
There really is not a good solution to this unless wizards ever decided to release FTV: Legacy with all 10 duals, FoW, Goyf, LED, 2 other good cards for the format. Then everyone could just buy 4 packs of those netting wizards 120-160 per player.
By the way this is probably a horrible idea but would greatly impact the size of the online legacy community, especially if the sets were limited to four a person.
on average cascade does not bother me...blood braid elf into blightning sucks but is expected...ive seen crazy enigma sphinx into bit blast into bloodbraid into violent outburst into terminate before...that sucked. It was a kill both your guys and totally flip the game for 7 mana...
The garruk vs liliana blastoderms are so ugly while the FNM nemesis art blastoderms are so cool.. its multiple appearance in the article reminds me of when i first played magic.. I wanna put one into a deck!
I've been playing this deck for a week or two, and this has replaced the Dream Stalker function of my deck. I always thought that card needed a home, and this deck seems like the best one. My favorite play has been to remove a Blastoderm with no Fading counters left. Otherwise, there are usually enough early targets for a turn 3 drake, even against removal. Wall of Roots have replaced the Civic Wayfinders/Borderland Rangers and have made it easier to cast a spell like Negate instead of Dispel on my opponent's turn.
I've played against a couple of deck like this and with so many creatures it seems like I never had enough removal. I've seen people run Reality Acid in this deck as well. Good Article though.
Background : aggro control is your favorite kind of deck, you build & selected it to be your deck in a competitive tourney
Symptoms :
> lost of consistency observed during a mirror match due to several "money" cards your opponents ran and you didnt own
Possibles diagnostic :
> you lost because of unluck (always possible)
> you lost because of skills (always possible)
> you lost because your build was inferior to the opponent build in that meta and/or format
If you think that the third diagnostic is good one, then you have to modify, to optimize the deck and to test it again. If the problem persists, you could conclude : 1) your deck is unadapted to compete fairly in that meta, 2) your deck is unadapted to compete fairly in that format (by lack of the "money cards" that seem to be very decisive in that specific build)
Solutions :
> adapt your deck to the competitive environment that kind of deck needs in that format (trade/buy cards to make it work competitively)
> change the deck you're playing (let's give up some aspects of your deck and replace them by anothers to make it more efficient with your cards)
> change the format you're playing
> dont play it competitively, play it casualy
By choosing any other solutions, you will generate frustation freely to yourself... it doent mean you cant be competitive in that format, it means that the deck you choosed to play was sub-optimal regarding the competition environment. You wont win any formula 1 Grand Prix with your personnal car : sure it would be frustating & unfair to see your Mc Laren opponents to get some "money" equipements, but that is the rule of that competition... All that being said, I encourage all kinds of players, whatever their ressources, but I am trying only to have a realistic approach to avoid any frustation about competition.
don't you think what we really need is Wizards to step in on this one? throw it in ME4 or something to break the price? if this hits 200 where does it stop?
wow. Last Friday's State of the Program, Force was at $130, up from $100 a week ago. Assuming you wrote that Wed. or Thurs., it's up about 50% in 10 days.
We need Algona to calculate the probable number of Force of Wills busted to date, and bounce that off the number of people that want to play Vintage and Legacy.
- Paul thanks for the comments. I'm trying really hard to get my articles to a higher level. I did proof read the article before I sent it in and decided to read it one more time after I submitted it and noticed the typos. As far as me entering a PDC with the deck, I don't think it would happen due to scheduling conflicts. I would really like to try it out cause the deck does have some game. I know the Zombie deck looks a little strange. I myself ended up changing some stuff and the deck runs good to say the least.
- Sanhedrin, I'm sorry I couldn't remember it was you that mentioned the Herd + Nameless combo or else I would have made sure you had gotten credit for it. Thanks for the comment.
- Sin I had the article done before the PRE but it didn't get published in time. I think Shard would make another Pauper Tribal event due to its success anyways. I thought about a Auroch Tribal deck but never got around to actually putting it together.
See my above below* comments about taking it personally. (Don't.) Everyone has gripes and pet peaves. Some of us have more than others. I would never say "Don't play X, Y or Z" in competition. You are bringing your A Game and that is fine. It is a competition. But it also means that I will not play since I can see I can not compete fairly. Don't take it personally if I object to losing to money cards. Just accept it for what it is. Selling 35k Cards is mind blowing. You put a TON of money into the game to get that kind of overstock and congratulations (and thanks for keeping the game going for me btw) for managing that. Still doesn't assuage the frustration I felt losing to said cards.
Also note that I give you kudos for building a fine version. Not sure bout your red card choices but they worked situationally well against me and I am sure you had your reasons for including them.
I was also already upset about the sudden remake (which I know wasn't your fault either but it sucked with the hand I started with.) I am not assuming you wouldn't have won that game, but I liked my chances better, especially after realizing what you brought.
Aggro Control is MY favorite deck type and you beat me with it fairly. So don't feel bad about it. Just understand my disgruntlement and accept it for what it is.
Unless they're a good Leech player and don't pump it into untapped Red.
I am not saying Flame Slash is the greatest card ever, just saying that it shouldn't be discounted.
"Isn't ME drafting really horrible and unfun?"
Sure. I guess. Fun is pretty subjective. it's not as well-rounded as current sets, if that's what you mean.
"So people are supposed to raredraft and...what drop?"
Buh? People can do whatever they want to do. Did anyone suggest otherwise?
"That's even worse than Not playing at all unless you happen to be a really lucky pack buster..."
That seems pretty obvious. Not really sure it was worth stating that opening packs and dropping is "worse" than opening packs and then playing.
"... and then why not just bust packs?"
Um, because you can't get packs of MED123 at the WoTC store and people sell them (MED and MED2, anyway) for $9 - see MTGOtraders to see what I mean. 15 tix for all 3 packs is a steal by comparison.
I've done that with the wurm instead of Enigma. :) Fun times.
Isn't ME drafting really horrible and unfun? So people are supposed to raredraft and...what drop? That's even worse than Not playing at all unless you happen to be a really lucky pack buster and then why not just bust packs?
Can't. I don't have $1200 to spend. I can't spend a dime of real money on magic. So no not even $300. Not $30. Can't is correct. Won't is only partially correct in that if I could I probably would not. At least not any time soon. (I'd probably do what most people do, Buy in as low as possible and wait for cards to rise in value then resell and by staples.)
Also I have missed many windows when cards were cheaper because I wasn't able to get online or couldn't even get into my account at one point.
I've been waiting forever for one of these articles and considered writing it myself. Great job.
LOurs, As always our conversations are both funny and frustrating all at once. The incident I used as an example was not as you described it at all (Mirror Match up, inferior build). It was two different decks and he got the jump in games 2 and 3 while I didn't. It was obviously (and usually this IS the case) a combination of all three. Just Sin and I are probably equal skill in general (We are both old school veterans of both limited and constructed formats.) I tend to be a lot less spiky which could be a bit of a difference.
He was playing a version of the deck I played previously and had upgraded it with money cards. Obviously an aggro control (UGr Snakes) that gets the aggro draw is going to do better than a control deck like the one I was playing (Noxious Bidding) that gets the bass-ackwards draw. Not saying Just Sin's deck wouldn't have won anyway but it was so clearly not an even match up for those games. In the second game I did get to kill off his weenie snakes but it was really too late for by then. Neither game did I get the draw I got the first game that was canceled for some reason. What irked me was the game that was canceled he double mulled to my god hand. To give Just credit he offered to drop the 2nd game to give us 1-1 so that we could decide the match in a 3rd game but I declined. Just is a good guy/sport and I was unhappy but not with him.
My experience with this format and this event is hot/cold. Sometimes I get the meta right (remember no sideboards) sometimes not. Ive had times when I couldn't lose for my life and others where I just draw land after land or just not quite the right mana or whatever and it doesn't come together. Very rarely are the matches close. In fact the last time I had a really satisfying close match in this format (in tourney) was playing a White Black version of the same deck running wraths and plows instead of land fetch and theft. (UB bidding runs 8 cycler guys 4 exhumes 3 biddings 3 noxious ghouls some lords etc)
I don't think I got it wrong this time but I do think I was not really up for it and should have just not registered. The fact that I wasn't feeling great and the canceled game and Justs great starts really put me on tilt (afterwards) and I was not a very good sport. But it got me to thinking. If I owned the same kinds of cards and played with those I would have had the same chances to draw into the best hands that Just got from running his duals and fetches.
My reason for bringing all this up wasn't to point out how terribly unfortunate I was etc but to show how frustrating the disparity of card values can be. Particularly when the tribes being run are about on par for cheese value. Just did something interesting. He took my 3 color Snake deck (UGr) and added some very different cards. He had the good expensive snake (Orhan Vipers I think) and also Patagia Viper(?) so it wasn't the same deck I'd run the week before but it.
Of course some of your comments are only meant as logical suggestions but your scenario shows a lack of comprehension for the situation. Yes ALL eternal formats are unfair. If you don't own the money cards you will be disadvantaged. No arguments no way to refute that. No it doesn't you just don't play any of those formats. For one thing I really enjoy the process of making decks for fringe formats (I just deleted 200+ decks off my pc recently.) Not a day goes by that I don't try to make something new (for me). And the be all and end all isn't winning despite the fact that I hate losing. It is to enjoy the game and may be to learn something about it and the players and the cards.
I still feel it would be impossible for me to break in to legacy/classic tourney based on my current wealth/collection. Nevermind that my collection has 11500+ cards. Most of those are common. (I could probably make a stab at competitive pauper but that format seems highly solved already and crypt rats are a key card to own which I do not.
This response took WAY longer than I intended as a zillion things interrupted it and I kept typing more and more. Pardon the extreme length.
Wait until Putrid Leech activates it's one-per-turn ability, then Skred it in response. Dead Leech on turn 2. Skred can't kill a turn1 Mogg Conscripts, but that's about it.
Paul, I understand your angst about the price of tournament lvl cards, but really? This is not a matter of cant, its a matter of wont.
If you really, truely wanted fow or dual lands, you would make it work. The fact that you feel like you cant is more a lack of a reason to. You dont want to spend $1,200.00 on a deck? Thats fine, why would you? You arnt a sanction competitve player, ie you never seem interested in constructed events outside of pre's.
Sure it sucks that you cant make your tribal decks better but you have been around a long time, and had ample oppurtunity to acquire these cards when they were cheaper. I finished my pset of 40 duals for about 500 tix/dollars. That may seem like a lot but i did it over 2 different 3 month time spans in the course of a year.
Yes now they cost like over 1 grand but the option to get them "cheaply" was there. The option to get them is still there, but there is a huge dis-incentive for non tourny players to get them that they have an awful stigma to them.
I understand pric range is a concern for people but comone. look at this deck from std that won the 5k on sat.
3x jace the mind sculptor 60
3x elspeth 30
3x ajani vengent 20
3x gideon jura 50
15x 5ish dollar rare
10x 3ish dollar rare/uncommon
this deck costs well over 600 bucks to complete, thats a lot of loot and ill bet this is just as "unattainable" for you as a legacy deck is. but is it overpriced? No people are willing to pay to compete, ill bet some casual players even buy these for there purposes.
So is legacy overpriced? sure a little bit. But who said you have to drop 5 grand to have a complete card pool? if people are willing to pay over 600 bucks for a std deck, then there is no reason they should be unwilling to pay 800-1000 for a teir 1 legacy deck, that will at this rate make a return on sale of the deck.
The EV of MED123 is somewhere between 7-9 tix (depending on what values you use)- which is pretty good but not really close to the point where you can break even by raredrafting alone.
The other problem with that plan is that the "FoW lottery" will probably get played enough to take a chunk of the value out of the lesser rares.
I'll echo what Paul said, this article is superb and a great improvement. I also would never have thought to have used Nameless Inversion so creatively. Very well done!
I FORGOT TO MENTION! Illpalazzo was the one who recommended I initially run Trinket Mage instead of Borderland Ranger, since he has the same role but could also fetch Relic, which is pretty smart I'd say. Also, him and bigmb have been representing the deck in TPDCs with strong results, so kudos to them. I accidentally cut this out when I was re-arranging some paragraphs. They call the deck Lower Level Blue, which I think is a fine name for it.
The queue results are bit misleading. I get the strangest luck when I play with money on the line it seems. I played MUC in the last PE and won against Slivers, the deck's hardest matchup, only to lose to WW, it's easiest one. But people emphasize queues for good reason, so in those went.
Reality Acid is always fun but a little clunky. UW is the best fit for it, since you can run Dream Stalker, Kor Skyfisher, and Momentary Blink for tons of bounce potential.
Wormfang Drake is definitely a stronger creature than Dream Stalker, but my main beef is that you don't get the creature back until the drake dies. Since the Stalker is so inexpensive I can usuallly bounce the Derm, then replay him in the same turn. Or you can bounce a ninja, attack with mulldrifter, ninjitsu. Also the Stalker can bounce Serrated Arrows for three new counters, while the Drake cannot.
And ya, old Derm art > new art. There's something I like about the colors of the new art, but the beastie itself looks lame.
What we really need is for someone to calculate the EV for MED123 drafts.
June 9th-15th we will be able to bust a whole ton of MED123 cards in drafts at the price of 15 tix a pop.
At some point it becomes a good idea to play just to raredraft.
Personally the price of Force of Will will never affect me, because just like dave said its not my style. Sadly with FoW it's a barrier to some for entry(i.e., the people that believe it is necessary to comepte in legacy) If I ever got into legacy it would certainly be with one of the cheaper 100-300 decks. However if Force of Will gets re-released we would undoubtedly see a huge shift throughout the legacy market. As soon as FoW lowered into more players 'reasonable cost range' will guess what? Then they can buy the FoW and afford legacy. But they need for than just Force of Will to play so now with more people getting into the game they will be buying more copies of other cards...LED, Tarmogoyf, Duals, as soon as the new players that joined because of FoW being re-released start buying up all the additional cards for there decks then there will simply be price spikes on other cards. So The format as whole will still continue to increase in entry cost.
There really is not a good solution to this unless wizards ever decided to release FTV: Legacy with all 10 duals, FoW, Goyf, LED, 2 other good cards for the format. Then everyone could just buy 4 packs of those netting wizards 120-160 per player.
By the way this is probably a horrible idea but would greatly impact the size of the online legacy community, especially if the sets were limited to four a person.
on average cascade does not bother me...blood braid elf into blightning sucks but is expected...ive seen crazy enigma sphinx into bit blast into bloodbraid into violent outburst into terminate before...that sucked. It was a kill both your guys and totally flip the game for 7 mana...
The garruk vs liliana blastoderms are so ugly while the FNM nemesis art blastoderms are so cool.. its multiple appearance in the article reminds me of when i first played magic.. I wanna put one into a deck!
Wormfang Drake
I've been playing this deck for a week or two, and this has replaced the Dream Stalker function of my deck. I always thought that card needed a home, and this deck seems like the best one. My favorite play has been to remove a Blastoderm with no Fading counters left. Otherwise, there are usually enough early targets for a turn 3 drake, even against removal. Wall of Roots have replaced the Civic Wayfinders/Borderland Rangers and have made it easier to cast a spell like Negate instead of Dispel on my opponent's turn.
I've played against a couple of deck like this and with so many creatures it seems like I never had enough removal. I've seen people run Reality Acid in this deck as well. Good Article though.
Well, let's call Greg House
Background : aggro control is your favorite kind of deck, you build & selected it to be your deck in a competitive tourney
Symptoms :
> lost of consistency observed during a mirror match due to several "money" cards your opponents ran and you didnt own
Possibles diagnostic :
> you lost because of unluck (always possible)
> you lost because of skills (always possible)
> you lost because your build was inferior to the opponent build in that meta and/or format
If you think that the third diagnostic is good one, then you have to modify, to optimize the deck and to test it again. If the problem persists, you could conclude : 1) your deck is unadapted to compete fairly in that meta, 2) your deck is unadapted to compete fairly in that format (by lack of the "money cards" that seem to be very decisive in that specific build)
Solutions :
> adapt your deck to the competitive environment that kind of deck needs in that format (trade/buy cards to make it work competitively)
> change the deck you're playing (let's give up some aspects of your deck and replace them by anothers to make it more efficient with your cards)
> change the format you're playing
> dont play it competitively, play it casualy
By choosing any other solutions, you will generate frustation freely to yourself... it doent mean you cant be competitive in that format, it means that the deck you choosed to play was sub-optimal regarding the competition environment. You wont win any formula 1 Grand Prix with your personnal car : sure it would be frustating & unfair to see your Mc Laren opponents to get some "money" equipements, but that is the rule of that competition... All that being said, I encourage all kinds of players, whatever their ressources, but I am trying only to have a realistic approach to avoid any frustation about competition.
GL & HF !
don't you think what we really need is Wizards to step in on this one? throw it in ME4 or something to break the price? if this hits 200 where does it stop?
I thought it was funny as well. As we all know, sometimes Magic seems to do that.
Aurochs are tough to play. High costs and non evasive creatures make them less desirable even if you can get some of that back with card advantage.
wow. Last Friday's State of the Program, Force was at $130, up from $100 a week ago. Assuming you wrote that Wed. or Thurs., it's up about 50% in 10 days.
We need Algona to calculate the probable number of Force of Wills busted to date, and bounce that off the number of people that want to play Vintage and Legacy.
- Paul thanks for the comments. I'm trying really hard to get my articles to a higher level. I did proof read the article before I sent it in and decided to read it one more time after I submitted it and noticed the typos. As far as me entering a PDC with the deck, I don't think it would happen due to scheduling conflicts. I would really like to try it out cause the deck does have some game. I know the Zombie deck looks a little strange. I myself ended up changing some stuff and the deck runs good to say the least.
- Sanhedrin, I'm sorry I couldn't remember it was you that mentioned the Herd + Nameless combo or else I would have made sure you had gotten credit for it. Thanks for the comment.
- Sin I had the article done before the PRE but it didn't get published in time. I think Shard would make another Pauper Tribal event due to its success anyways. I thought about a Auroch Tribal deck but never got around to actually putting it together.
Again thanks everyone for the comments.
See my
abovebelow* comments about taking it personally. (Don't.) Everyone has gripes and pet peaves. Some of us have more than others. I would never say "Don't play X, Y or Z" in competition. You are bringing your A Game and that is fine. It is a competition. But it also means that I will not play since I can see I can not compete fairly. Don't take it personally if I object to losing to money cards. Just accept it for what it is. Selling 35k Cards is mind blowing. You put a TON of money into the game to get that kind of overstock and congratulations (and thanks for keeping the game going for me btw) for managing that. Still doesn't assuage the frustration I felt losing to said cards.Also note that I give you kudos for building a fine version. Not sure bout your red card choices but they worked situationally well against me and I am sure you had your reasons for including them.
I was also already upset about the sudden remake (which I know wasn't your fault either but it sucked with the hand I started with.) I am not assuming you wouldn't have won that game, but I liked my chances better, especially after realizing what you brought.
Aggro Control is MY favorite deck type and you beat me with it fairly. So don't feel bad about it. Just understand my disgruntlement and accept it for what it is.