I was the poster on the other site. This deck is interesting. I am glad you were able to prove me wrong, as I think a deck like this is a lot more interesting to most people than another time vault deck.
I LOLed at the replicas in sb, never expected to see those in a classic deck.
Overall seems like a reasonably solid deck. As long as people are not prepared for it, it would seem to be a good choice. If you get a chance to run it in a tourney, please record it.
One of the biggest reasons to not sub Ghost Quarter for Wasteland is that GQ works against one of the biggest plans of the deck...that is Magus of the Moon. I dont think you ever want to give any player a chance to put a basic into play.
What a great deck against the meta in classic. Any deck list that can dominate over Oath and Workshop can just about count on winning 2 out of 4 rounds every event. I hate that since I have money tied up in Workshop...lol
i wont defend the deck past the point of just watching the videos, but it does have 7 preboard answers to oath and another 6 in the sideboard. Magus is icing on the cake.
I always play about 10 matches b4 i start recording, that way i get a feel for the deck and how it runs, etc etc.
I am 3-0 vs shops, 7-4 vs oath 1-0 vs fish, 0-2 vs dredge, and 1-0 vs tezzerator with mostly the same md
A deck that I actually find affordable, 550 is still a little pricey, but as you mention the goyf's and wastelands are most of that...and I have goyf's...since they were a main stream standard set at one point online. Now, how competitive it is will remain to be seen, but seems to have potential..and who knows, perhaps something knew will drop with M12 or Innastrad that might help it some. Thanks, and no I'm not trying to start the money argument again..for a change... also Congrats on the CCC.
In most of these matches you seemed to admittedly get lucky draws, especially mulligans. Poor Andy with Shops was so flooded. o.O Have you tested this deck much outside of this mock daily? How did it perform?
I was trying a Boros based Moon-effect deck for about a month (with 4 x Magus and 4 x Blood Moon), and my testing showed that the moon effects steal games, but aren't solid enough to actually be great. Oath decks usually just cackle with glee. Sure you have Chalice for 0, but the odds of being on the play, with Chalice AND Magus AND the mana to cast Magus... well, seems less likely than them having Petal-land-Oath.
I can't really defend the Zealot pick going back. He just trades with too much crap that you don't want to trade with for 3 mana particularly badly. The Implant; I dunno, I really don't think it signals a potential black drafter that heavily, and the Souleater equipped with Piston Sledge was a major part of my deck which is kind of silly, but w/e.
Could you tell me more about his foils? I am super interested in his foils/online foils in general. Perhaps an article on which foils are best in which decks.
For the war mark events there were 6000 and some odd entrance fees paid. I presume that represents many single accounts who qualified and entered into multiple war mark events.
I have 6 war marks each of Mirran and Phyrexian, so if I got there on time..., I could have entered twice. Would their servers have not supported more events? I'm surprised and disappointed WotC wasn't more prepared for the demand.
The real shame is that this PR snafu tainted a really clever idea. I like the idea of an inter-set sealed event, especially with the flavor of the sets related by story line.
P1P2 and P1P4 were just very very bad choices. Viral Drake is probably the 2nd best uncommon in the set after Enslave, and there is no way you take a mediocre guy over it, even if it puts you into a 2nd color. And Implant, although slow, is still unconditional removal, and sends a much better signal.
I'm pretty sure you need five of a singular type of warmark to enter an event and that you can't mix or match them to get to that total of five. There were a lot of no shows because people just signed up to get free product, even if they couldn't play in the event. I wanted to the product and have a chance to open a shiny mythic (which i always hope to find when playing a draft as well) but I was also looking forward to playing a fun format for a few hours on Saturday. I even marked it on my calendar ahead of time but failed to sign up in time. Hopefully the events they have coming up in July are going to be the same format so the players that missed the last events won't be cheated.
I too was shut out of the warmark event, and wouldn't have ever heard of it at all unless I'd seen it described here. Anyone know if you need 5 of a single type of warmark (Mirran/Phyrexian) to enter, or if you could use a mix? It would have been fun playing a game with a mix of the new and old artifact sets, though I heard there were a lot of no-shows. Nice idea by WOTC, but rather poorly executed, with the no shows and shutouts.
Yo Tyler. You know my style, so don't act offended ;)
I died a bit inside when I had to see your decision for p1p2. Black dude is like the worst choice. There are only 2 real options here - either try to stay open and take the Wellspring, or take the bomby blue Drake. Zealot is actually not that great in an artifact block and both of your other options still keep you open enough to dive into black later. I'd have taken the Drake here, but especially with Mirrodin's Core ( which will table as you are prolly doing swiss ) in the pack Wellspring is a real option.
P1p4 is just plain wrong. Even if 4cc may be inflexible, the card is just better and you send no clear signal. That pack just brings confusion to the table and may you make suffer in pack 2.
The next pick ma be ok. I'm not a big friend of picking Fountain of Youth over Thanadon, but then it is just another expensive card and 4 life is a lot, especially if your opponent has an answer ( mine always do ), so I'm fine here.
Your later decisions of taking the swines are weird, but it could have worked. I would have picked different card here though, but that is after picking Drake in pick 2.
p2p2 is silly. Piston Sledge is such a bad cardif it doesnt fit the deck and it doesn't fit your deck in any way - you are not an aggro deck and you already missed the sac synergy route in pack 1. Def should have been Strandwalker.
The next pick you could have thought about the Wellspring - both of your freshly picked up cards synergize with it. Rager is fine though. You don't seem to draft very focussed.
The rest of the draft went solid, but the packs were boring and not a lot of decisions.
Also, where is the decklist? It's hard to put it together in my mind after reading the article and commenting :/
Yeah Suicide black can be a real interesting deck with the various mirror effects. I run a Kaervek deck with all those shenanigans. Soul Conduit has become a big favorite of mine, the ability to make the switch anytime is so worth the extra mana. Nothing quite like blasting all but one of your life into a creature with covenant of fire and then using soul conduit to give that one life to some poor opponent.
Ya sorry it took so long, but better late than never. There seem to have been a few changes, and KaraZorEl is running the events now at the same time Naproxen was.
What do you think of this strategy in Round 1, Game 3:
It's your turn, with Dross Ripper on board and Artilerize in hand. Opponent has the 5/4 artifact on board. Attack with the Dross Ripper. If opponent blocks, pump your creature, resulting in a trade without using Artilerize. If opponent doesn't block, let your Dross Ripper deal 3 points of combat damage, then Artilerize in 2nd main phase.
I realize that the 1st main phase Artilerize helped to grow your Slag Fiend. I'm just very cautious with my removal spells. Don't suppose it mattered much because you won the match anyway. However, in closer games, maximizing the value out of available resources can make the difference between a win or loss.
I suppose its good to finally see this up, I have been on hiatus for a while taking time to work with Overextended. With which i'm working out kinks on my somewhat proven belcher list (working on a primer of sorts). Hopefully getting back into this soon enough, though, i need to check current legal lists seeing as its been nearly a month.
I just had a chance to read this fully, and it reminded me of a few cards I almost forgot totally. You sir, just made me wish to build a deck with Null Rod and Cursed Totem in it. Hmm... maybe also Torpor Orb as well? I think I should try something like that.
I was the poster on the other site. This deck is interesting. I am glad you were able to prove me wrong, as I think a deck like this is a lot more interesting to most people than another time vault deck.
I LOLed at the replicas in sb, never expected to see those in a classic deck.
Overall seems like a reasonably solid deck. As long as people are not prepared for it, it would seem to be a good choice. If you get a chance to run it in a tourney, please record it.
One of the biggest reasons to not sub Ghost Quarter for Wasteland is that GQ works against one of the biggest plans of the deck...that is Magus of the Moon. I dont think you ever want to give any player a chance to put a basic into play.
What a great deck against the meta in classic. Any deck list that can dominate over Oath and Workshop can just about count on winning 2 out of 4 rounds every event. I hate that since I have money tied up in Workshop...lol
i wont defend the deck past the point of just watching the videos, but it does have 7 preboard answers to oath and another 6 in the sideboard. Magus is icing on the cake.
I always play about 10 matches b4 i start recording, that way i get a feel for the deck and how it runs, etc etc.
I am 3-0 vs shops, 7-4 vs oath 1-0 vs fish, 0-2 vs dredge, and 1-0 vs tezzerator with mostly the same md
that was me :o
But I tend to agree with MMogg in regards to the moon dudes being the ONLY things i fear in the entire deck. Seems a bit too loose to win with.
That said, if you can get this to do something awesome with BB elves i would be all over it!
Do you have to run 4 Library's main? I've been running 1-2 main and 1-2 side.
I suggest running Ghost Quarter in Wasteland's place. In some match ups, like Dredge and Workshops, they don't have any basic land.
A deck that I actually find affordable, 550 is still a little pricey, but as you mention the goyf's and wastelands are most of that...and I have goyf's...since they were a main stream standard set at one point online. Now, how competitive it is will remain to be seen, but seems to have potential..and who knows, perhaps something knew will drop with M12 or Innastrad that might help it some. Thanks, and no I'm not trying to start the money argument again..for a change... also Congrats on the CCC.
In most of these matches you seemed to admittedly get lucky draws, especially mulligans. Poor Andy with Shops was so flooded. o.O Have you tested this deck much outside of this mock daily? How did it perform?
I was trying a Boros based Moon-effect deck for about a month (with 4 x Magus and 4 x Blood Moon), and my testing showed that the moon effects steal games, but aren't solid enough to actually be great. Oath decks usually just cackle with glee. Sure you have Chalice for 0, but the odds of being on the play, with Chalice AND Magus AND the mana to cast Magus... well, seems less likely than them having Petal-land-Oath.
I can't really defend the Zealot pick going back. He just trades with too much crap that you don't want to trade with for 3 mana particularly badly. The Implant; I dunno, I really don't think it signals a potential black drafter that heavily, and the Souleater equipped with Piston Sledge was a major part of my deck which is kind of silly, but w/e.
Like the deck George, as anything Rogue in our current meta is great. It faired not too shabby either.
Magus was a star for you, especially that game one, match four against Dredge (Turn 1 Magus). You shouldn't have gotten a win in that match up.
These matches shows how bad of a beating a resolved Magus of the Moon is in our current meta.
Feedback: Upto this point on Penguin T.V you have had diversity in multiple opponents, which I like, versus seeing one pilot of multiple decks.
Keep up the good work.
Montolio
Could you tell me more about his foils? I am super interested in his foils/online foils in general. Perhaps an article on which foils are best in which decks.
For the war mark events there were 6000 and some odd entrance fees paid. I presume that represents many single accounts who qualified and entered into multiple war mark events.
I have 6 war marks each of Mirran and Phyrexian, so if I got there on time..., I could have entered twice. Would their servers have not supported more events? I'm surprised and disappointed WotC wasn't more prepared for the demand.
The real shame is that this PR snafu tainted a really clever idea. I like the idea of an inter-set sealed event, especially with the flavor of the sets related by story line.
Oh well. See you in July!
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Tell your friends. ha ha
P1P2 and P1P4 were just very very bad choices. Viral Drake is probably the 2nd best uncommon in the set after Enslave, and there is no way you take a mediocre guy over it, even if it puts you into a 2nd color. And Implant, although slow, is still unconditional removal, and sends a much better signal.
I'm pretty sure you need five of a singular type of warmark to enter an event and that you can't mix or match them to get to that total of five. There were a lot of no shows because people just signed up to get free product, even if they couldn't play in the event. I wanted to the product and have a chance to open a shiny mythic (which i always hope to find when playing a draft as well) but I was also looking forward to playing a fun format for a few hours on Saturday. I even marked it on my calendar ahead of time but failed to sign up in time. Hopefully the events they have coming up in July are going to be the same format so the players that missed the last events won't be cheated.
I too was shut out of the warmark event, and wouldn't have ever heard of it at all unless I'd seen it described here. Anyone know if you need 5 of a single type of warmark (Mirran/Phyrexian) to enter, or if you could use a mix? It would have been fun playing a game with a mix of the new and old artifact sets, though I heard there were a lot of no-shows. Nice idea by WOTC, but rather poorly executed, with the no shows and shutouts.
Thanks
Yo Tyler. You know my style, so don't act offended ;)
I died a bit inside when I had to see your decision for p1p2. Black dude is like the worst choice. There are only 2 real options here - either try to stay open and take the Wellspring, or take the bomby blue Drake. Zealot is actually not that great in an artifact block and both of your other options still keep you open enough to dive into black later. I'd have taken the Drake here, but especially with Mirrodin's Core ( which will table as you are prolly doing swiss ) in the pack Wellspring is a real option.
P1p4 is just plain wrong. Even if 4cc may be inflexible, the card is just better and you send no clear signal. That pack just brings confusion to the table and may you make suffer in pack 2.
The next pick ma be ok. I'm not a big friend of picking Fountain of Youth over Thanadon, but then it is just another expensive card and 4 life is a lot, especially if your opponent has an answer ( mine always do ), so I'm fine here.
Your later decisions of taking the swines are weird, but it could have worked. I would have picked different card here though, but that is after picking Drake in pick 2.
p2p2 is silly. Piston Sledge is such a bad cardif it doesnt fit the deck and it doesn't fit your deck in any way - you are not an aggro deck and you already missed the sac synergy route in pack 1. Def should have been Strandwalker.
The next pick you could have thought about the Wellspring - both of your freshly picked up cards synergize with it. Rager is fine though. You don't seem to draft very focussed.
The rest of the draft went solid, but the packs were boring and not a lot of decisions.
Also, where is the decklist? It's hard to put it together in my mind after reading the article and commenting :/
Yeah Suicide black can be a real interesting deck with the various mirror effects. I run a Kaervek deck with all those shenanigans. Soul Conduit has become a big favorite of mine, the ability to make the switch anytime is so worth the extra mana. Nothing quite like blasting all but one of your life into a creature with covenant of fire and then using soul conduit to give that one life to some poor opponent.
Ya sorry it took so long, but better late than never. There seem to have been a few changes, and KaraZorEl is running the events now at the same time Naproxen was.
What do you think of this strategy in Round 1, Game 3:
It's your turn, with Dross Ripper on board and Artilerize in hand. Opponent has the 5/4 artifact on board. Attack with the Dross Ripper. If opponent blocks, pump your creature, resulting in a trade without using Artilerize. If opponent doesn't block, let your Dross Ripper deal 3 points of combat damage, then Artilerize in 2nd main phase.
I realize that the 1st main phase Artilerize helped to grow your Slag Fiend. I'm just very cautious with my removal spells. Don't suppose it mattered much because you won the match anyway. However, in closer games, maximizing the value out of available resources can make the difference between a win or loss.
Thank you for posting your draft.
I suppose its good to finally see this up, I have been on hiatus for a while taking time to work with Overextended. With which i'm working out kinks on my somewhat proven belcher list (working on a primer of sorts). Hopefully getting back into this soon enough, though, i need to check current legal lists seeing as its been nearly a month.
I just had a chance to read this fully, and it reminded me of a few cards I almost forgot totally. You sir, just made me wish to build a deck with Null Rod and Cursed Totem in it. Hmm... maybe also Torpor Orb as well? I think I should try something like that.
Good work overall.
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